[PCA] strict natives vs cultivars

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We just had a very thoughtful and lengthy discussion of this topic in  
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Subject:  Re: cultivars 
Nick and  John, 
Thanks for  your thoughts on cultivar-clone issue.  In my experience, clones 
or  cultivars of native plants from gardens don't immediately, via  
pollinators, alter the genetic structure of nearby wild plants - although  they 
certainly have the potential to do so if the nearby native plants  are close enough to 
be visited by the same pollinators.  Of course, they  don't alter the genetic 
structure of the existing flowering plants, only the  offspring of those 
plants.  In a short time, especially with  easily pollinated plants like Asters, 
etc., one could have innumerable  seedlings that would no longer be considered 
"natural" and would  be spreading throughout the natural  landscape.  
Consider species of native Rhododendrons.  A  native azalea specialty nursery 
will usually grow most species that occur in a  myriad of habitats from the 
coastal plain, piedmont, and mountains or  from larger geographic areas (i.e. 
Florida species, Smoky Mountain  species, New England species, etc.).  Many 
overlap in blooming  periods, especially in garden or nursery settings, often 
leading to  cross-pollination and numerous, unnamable hybrids.  Take a look at 
the  Woodlander's Nursery catalog and you'll see many of these plants offered 
for  sale - all deliberate or accidental crosses resulting from pollination of  
true species in close proximity, i.e. Rhododendron sp. #3, #4, etc.  If one  
of these or similar plants was to be promoted as a "natural selection" or  
"cultivar" and therefore sold in mass quantity and planted near wild  populations, 
it could definitely pollute those populations and degrade  the natural 
landscape.  (Also compare the cross-mixed species of Echinacea  - some 
federally-listed for their uniqueness/identity/rarity - that are sold by  nurseries, which 
are no longer true to the species but which carry  genetic material from 
different regions of the country, from different habitats,  etc.  Based on 
observation and reports, I can say that if Echinacea  purpurea was planted near E. 
laevigata and they inter-crossed, the  offspring would be composed solely or 
mostly of E. purpurea, with E.  laevigata being essentially outcompeted  
genetically.)   
Numerous  clones or cultivars of Aster novae-angliae definitely mix in the 
garden and  nursery (though "Purple Dome" appears to be sterile) and can spread  
from garden plantings to pollute native populations.   Fortunately, this 
species is relatively rare in suburban and urban areas, but  occasionally one 
finds a "wild" plant or population that is pink or  whitish or striped, etc. - all 
indications that the plant has crossed  with a garden cultivar.  (Most Aster 
novae-angliae offered by eastern native plant nurseries are not true to the 
species for this very  reason.  They have hybridized so much that they do not 
represent the type  for the species anymore - what we all should be interested 
in, not the weird or  unusual, like "Ice Ballet" Asclepias incarnata,  etc.)  
Should one of Richard Jayne's mountain laurel  selections -  a dwarf with 
reddish flowers, say, selected from Maine, be planted in or near natural Kalmia  
in North  Carolina?  Most restoration ecologists would say  emphatically no.  
There is and should be always maintained a difference  between ornamental 
horticulture and ecological restoration.  Why are native  plant societies so 
fascinated by cultivars and clones when they aren't  natural, at least in their 
application, and there are so many good  choices for local, appropriate material 
at hand.  (Collect seed,  take cuttings, contract grow from local sources, 
rescue plants, etc.)   Factor in the potential and documented, in some cases, 
problem of polluting  local, native populations and one has an iron-clad case 
against the use of  cultivars and clones - at least in and around any natural 
areas.    
The main  purpose of native plant societies, in my opinion, is to promote the 
real and the  natural and its conservation.  (See www.VNPS.org archived Stan  
Shetler article.)  Many of these plants and their habitats have enough  
threats against them without people fooling around needlessly with plants that  
have the real potential to seriously alter what exactly is real  in nature.  From 
my perspective, there is nothing more deflating than  to find garden escapes 
or inappropriate species in otherwise pristine or healthy  natural areas. 
Rod  Simmons    
Rod (et  al.): 
I think we are  essentially in agreement.  I’m hard pressed to find an 
example, either from  the literature (not that my knowledge of plant conservation 
literature is all  that deep), or from personal experience, of garden clones or 
cultivars of native  species mixing with truly wild plants and causing some 
measurable alteration of  the wild plant’s genetics.  It does seem possible,  
though. 
For cultivars that are  nothing more than a particular selected genotype from 
a wild ancestor, I find it  hard to generate much concern about potential 
impact of cross-pollination  between the cultivar and nearby wild plants since 
the cultivar’s genes already  exist in the wild population.  One may fret about 
altering the frequencies  of this or that allele beyond what would have 
happened in the total absence of  human intervention . . . but where do we find the 
total absence of human  intervention anymore?  Our collective human footprint 
has brought about so  much change in nature that the possible impact of 
planting a cultivar of a  native plant in your back yard seems infinitesimal in 
comparison.  And  besides, planting a cultivar of a native plant has got to be 
better, in the  overall scheme of things, than growing another crepe myrtle or 
clump of lily  turf. 
Cultivars that are  hybrids between multiple species are much more artificial 
or non-natural than  the above example.  As the artificiality of the garden 
plant increases, so  should our wariness about escape of genes into the wild.  
Yes, I believe  that it would be unwise to plant masses of hybrid azaleas in 
proximity to  closely related wild species in a natural setting.  But, as I 
mentioned in  one of my earlier posts on this thread, in a densely populated 
suburb distant  from native vegetation, I suspect that the risk of cross 
pollination between  hybrid and wild azaleas would be quite low.  Personally, I would 
not worry  about undue impact in such a situation.  But if asked as a 
representative  of VNPS, I would still suggest growing native plants!  
>From the little  searching that I did recently, the phrase “genetic pollution”
 seems most closely  associated with genetically modified crop plants and the 
transfer of exotic  genes via the GM crop to its wild (or less highly 
refined) relatives.  The  classic case involves genes from genetically modified corn 
allegedly showing up  in corn fields in Mexico, near the ancestral homeland  
of the crop.  Less commonly, I find the term used in the context of alien  
(exotic, non-native) plants (or animals) crossing with natives and exerting a  
genetic impact via interspecific hybridization.  Certainly, these are  troubling 
situations, but different from the origin of this whole cultivar  discussion: 
cultivars of native plants having some potential impact on wild  native 
plants. 
Yes, VNPS is at its  core a conservation organization properly focused on 
nature and the preservation  of natural systems.  But the whole gardening thing 
will not just go  away.  Many VNPS members enjoy growing at least a few native 
plants in  their yards.  And many members of the general public will look to 
us for  advice about growing native plants—and these people are probably our 
hottest  prospects for recruiting new members!  We need to have sensible advice 
on  hand, for ourselves and for the general public. 
You mention the  deflating/depressing impact of finding “garden escapes” and 
“inappropriate  species” in natural areas.  I certainly share the sentiment. 
 But in  my experience, the garden escapes and inappropriate species are 
never cultivars  of native species—they are always exotic aliens, and I think we 
are all in  agreement that invasive exotics are detrimental. 
Please understand, I’m  not saying that it cannot happen, but I still would 
like to hear of  actual cases (not hypothetical situations) in which cultivars 
of native plants  growing in gardens have altered the genetic constitution of 
nearby wild plants  in a natural habitat.  
John 
W. John  Hayden 
Professor of  Biology 
Department of  Biology 
University of Richmond 
Richmond, VA 23173  USA 
phone -  804-289-8232 
FAX -  804-289-8233 
jhayden at richmond.edu 
_http://www.richmond.edu/~jhayden/_ (http://www.richmond.edu/~jhayden/)  
John,

Though,  personally, I have nothing to contribute to this discussion, as I 
look through  the newsletters and publications VNPS receives, today I find in 
the California  Native Plant Society Bulletin Vol. 38 No. 1  January-March 2008, 
an article  on page 1, continued on page 6 “Considerations When Planting 
California Native  Plants.”  It is not yet online in their archives, but will be.  
Their  Conservation Conference of 9/8/07 featured Deborah Rogers, 
conservation  geneticist with the Genetic Resources Conservation Program, U. of  C.-Davis.

The CNPS in 2001 addressed the issue: 
_http://www.cnps.org/cnps/archive/landscaping.php._ (http://www.cnps.org/cnps/archive/landscaping.php.)   

Rogers’ full presentation, along with the  others given at the conference, 
are now available on the CNPS website – access  by clicking on “Conservation” 
and then, on “2007 Santa Cruz Conservation  Conference Proceedings.”

Other links: 
Fact Sheets on Genetic  Conservation:  
_http://www.grcp.ucdavis.edu/projects/FactSheetdex.htm_ (http://www.grcp.ucdavis.edu/projects/FactSheetdex.htm) 
Genetically  Appropriate Choices for Plant Materials to Maintain Biological 
Diversity:  _http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/publications/botany/plantgenetics.pdf_ 
(http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/publications/botany/plantgenetics.pdf) 
Native  Plant Journal, Fall 2004:  
_http://www.nativeplantnetwork.org/journal/_ (http://www.nativeplantnetwork.org/journal/) 

Those  who are closely following this discussion might like to learn what a 
fellow  native plant society has to share. (Even though they are located on the 
opposite  coast.)

Nicky 
Nicky and John (et  al.), 

Thanks for your  comments.  Nicky, I'm glad you sent the California Native 
Plant Society  article, I thought that was good as well.     

This native plant  cultivar and hybrid debate has been going on a long time 
now, but seems to have  been thrust back into the forefront locally, with the 
Irvine Conference in  Baltimore last  year and the Lahr Symposium coming up 
next week (also lots of  articles). 

I certainly agree  that VNPS and MNPS locally (and many native plant 
societies as well) are  "conservation organizations properly focused on nature and the 
preservation of  natural systems."  I also think gardening is a fine thing - 
something which  I personally enjoy.  However, as conservation and not 
gardening  organizations, when "asked for advice about growing native plants," as 
John  says, we definitely "need to have sensible advice on hand."   The most  
sensible advice about using native plants we can give, based on numerous case  
studies, empirical observations, research, and a sizeable number of red flags,  
is to plant native species - if one wants to plant - that are naturally found 
in  very close proximity to where they will be planted and that are true 
species.  (Native by definition excludes cultivars and man-made hybrids as the  
definition of "native" is that which is local and natural)  Besides, there  are 
numerous native plant nurseries that grow material from local stock, so  
sourcing appropriate plants is no longer a problem.      

Different  nurseries supplying the demand for new/unusual plants to gardeners 
(mainly in  last decade or two!) have unleashed incredible destruction on our 
wild plants  and places.  Dogwood Anthracnose imported by way of Kousa 
Dogwood for  landscape use, Sudden Oak Death from imported ornamental stock, Emerald 
Ash  Borer, Hemlock Adelgid, etc.  Those are some of the prominent ones in 
the  news currently, but there are scores of others that are off most radar  
screens. 

We have more than  enough examples of what harm moving and mixing plants 
around can do and I think  we should promote, when the topic of gardening with 
native plants comes up, only  what is truly native and not cultivars (no this 
isn't a "purist" policy it's  reality!).  Moreover, we're not gardening advocates 
and there is more than  enough justification to be wary of cultivars, just as 
some exotic plants, and to  not promote them.  Promoting cultivars is the job 
of the nursery industry,  not ours.  Our job is to stick with what's natural 
and real.  

Rod      

p.s. I've  included below some more info and links on the subject.  

1.       
_www.conps.org/pdf/Horticulture%20&%20Restoration/nativeplantdef.PDF_ 
(http://www.conps.org/pdf/Horticulture%20&%20Restoration/nativeplantdef.PDF)  

2.  
"Be wary of  seeds from cultivated E. angustifolia if grown in areas with 
native or  cultivated populations of E. pallida, E. atrorubens, E. angustifolia 
var.  strigosa or E. simulata. Native American Seed (Company) has collected  
seed in the Dallas/Fort Worth environs from plants that fit the  description of 
E. angustifolia var. strigosa, which is thought to be a  hybrid between E. 
angustifolia and E. atrorubens. The achenes were  larger and rougher than seeds 
of E. angustifolia var. angustifolia. (The  isolation distance to avoid 
hybridization has not been determined. It is likely  that wild bees, honeybees and 
other pollinators can transport pollen several  miles between plants). The 
geographic range of Echinacea species is illustrated  in McGregor, R.L., 1968, "The 
taxonomy of the genus Echinacea (Compositae),"  Univ. Kansas Sci. Bul. 48, 
and in Barker, W.T. et al., 1977, Atlas of  the Flora of the Great Plains, Iowa 
State University Press. 

More  importantly, however, cultivated sources have potential problems of  
hybridization and contamination with other seeds that are less likely to occur  
with wild sources. One seed grower has addressed the problem of hybridization 
by  arranging to have E. angustifolia grown in an isolated location in  New 
Mexico in  1996."  

Source:  biomicro.sdstate.edu/reesen/Echinacea/newsletter.htm 

3.  
Cultivars  of Native Plants   
In the wild,  plants have been discovered that have one or more ornamental 
characteristics  that are superior or substantially different compared to the 
typical plant of  that species. When these selections are propagated and 
produced in a manner to  preserve the desirable characteristics, they are often 
referred to as cultivars.  Cultivars typically are evaluated under landscape 
conditions to determine their  potential use in residential and commercial sites. 
For cultivars derived from  naturally occurring populations outside of Florida 
or areas bordering Florida, cultivar origin is an important issue  to consider 
as mentioned previously. For example, a dogwood cultivar derived  from a 
natural population in the northeastern U.S. would not be appropriate to use in  
Florida.   
The other  issue to consider is man-made cultivars of native plants. Many 
native plant  experts and enthusiasts do not consider man-made cultivars as being 
native,  although it might be argued that selections or hybrids could have 
occurred under  natural conditions. It is very unlikely, however, that man-made 
selections or  hybrids with "double flowers" (the reproductive parts of the 
flowers develop  into petals so that there appear to be twice the number of 
petals) would be  found in the wild for species that rely on seed for 
reproduction. Such species  with "double flowers" would not be able to reproduce.   
Use of  cultivars in restoration or reclamation should be done with caution 
because  genetic diversity could be very limited. Potential consequences of 
inbreeding  and outbreeding depression also need to be considered.   
Source:  Native Plants: An Overview  Jeffrey G. Norcini, University of 
Florida 

4. 
CONSERVATION OF  GENETIC RESOURCES 
Everyone involved with the selection, use and  promotion of new native plant 
species and cultivars and/or any of their close  relatives must be fully aware 
of the potential negative consequences of their  use in gardens and 
landscapes. Most of these concerns center around the issue of  conservation of genetic 
resources and the genetic pollution of native plant  populations in the wild. 
Three examples from the California flora will serve to illuminate this  issue. 
 
Nevin's  Barberry [Mahonia (Berberis) nevinii], an extremely rare  plant in 
nature, is found in widely distributed and ecologically varied small  
populations in southern California. It is, however, a relatively  commonly seen 
landscape plant throughout the state. A molecular level study of  these plants showed 
that there is little to no variation present in the gene  pool. Therefore, 
the seed source of plants to be planted in the vicinity of the  remaining 
individuals in the wild is not of concern--there will be no adverse  consequences to 
the gene pool.  
The  California dandelion (Taraxacum  californicum) from the wet meadows in 
the San  Bernardino Mountains is a rare plant whose continued existence is  
threatened by ongoing hybridization with the common European dandelion  
(Taraxacum officinale), a weedy pest plant that is common throughout the  range of the 
rare species.  
The Monterey pine (Pinus radiata) is known from five  geographically isolated 
populations (three are from central coastal California and two are on islands 
off Baja California). This  tree is a significant forest tree in the southern 
hemisphere, particularly in  New  Zealand. Material from all five populations 
has  been grown together on a massive scale in New  Zealand, such that the 
primary seed source of Monterey pine (even in California) is from New Zealand. 
The  issue of primary concern here is that the "mongrel" Monterey pines of New  
Zealand mixed origin will genetically pollute the "pure" native stands of 
these  trees, such that the unique genetic character of the California 
populations will  be lost due to homogenization of the gene pool over time (the Baja 
California  populations are not threatened in this way at this time).   
Source:  Xeriscaping: Sources of New Native Ornamnetal Plants  Bart C. 
O'Brien   
5.       
_www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for98/for98.htm_ 
(http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for98/for98.htm)  

6.       
_www.ser.org/pdf/SER_restoration_genetics.pdf_ 
(http://www.ser.org/pdf/SER_restoration_genetics.pdf)  
John, Helen, 

I  agree with John.  Policy is set after presentation of pros and cons that  
are developed by a balanced committee (diverse data, information and  
viewpoints heard) and >then< present findings to the board.  I  have been following 
this as an informed discussion, not as an exchange to set a  formal VNPS policy.

This subject is fraught by diverse nuances and  opinions and this is not a 
simple subject that can be encapsulated into one or  two paragraphs after this 
series of e-mails
Surely we do not want a policy  that tries to restrict native plant cultivar 
sale by the nursery industry.  We can educate our members/public/natural 
resource managers to use care  where cultivars are introduced.  I would not want to 
have us expend our  meager time and funds on a Quixotic crusade.  Is the 
idea, calling  cultivars of native plants “non-native plants” and to consider 
them  inappropriate for use?  

We know you are not some crazy kook, John.  Nor are the other participants.  
Good science from John is welcome as  we try to understand the use of native 
plants and native plant cultivars in home  gardens/landscapes, public 
gardens/trails, and restoration of natural areas.  By education, we can first 
thoroughly educate ourselves and  then lead the gardeners, natural resource managers 
and the nursery industry to  wise use of cultivars of native plants.  A well 
worded policy could very  well evolve from such a study. I believe we can educate 
about this subject  without a formal policy.

Helen, if you are calling for a VNPS policy, you  would bring the request 
first to the EC who would involve the chairs of  committees involved in the 
subject, and then the next step could send it to the  board and if they agree,  a 
committee would need to be named to gather the  information, present a report 
and recommendation to the Board who would need to  study and discuss the 
recommendation before voting.  I am not saying that  we should not do this, but I 
feel we are not ready for that final writing and  adoption of a policy. 

For instance, when VNPS formed a policy concerning  use of herbicides, it was 
an exhaustive study commissioned by the board and done  by Cris Fleming, 
Faith Campbell and others, that formed a very well worded,  rational statement to 
the effect that while we do not condone all use of  herbicides, there are 
situations that we feel it is appropriate to use with  proper controls by trained 
personnel to apply it.  (I believe that natural  resource managers proved a 
need for its use in control of invasive plants under  some specific conditions.)

And, I believe that there are far, far more  dire imminent threats to our 
native plant populations than the use of native  plant cultivars in home and 
urban botanical gardens.  (Not placing them in  natural wild situations is easy to 
support.)  It is interesting to remember  that nature creates "cultivars."  
What was it that Hal Horwitz said, in  citing the huge diversity in the 
orchidacea family, that in nature when faced  with change, 'adapt, move or die'?")    
I would prefer our  efforts to form policy focus on loss of habitat to 
expanding urban/suburban  development that erases the natural Virginia landscape. 
(i.e. The town centers and  housing developments that remove all trees and 
vegetation, level the terrain,  place streams underground on hundreds of acres of 
Virginia landscape.)  Or, global warming.  Or, removal of southwest Virginia’s 
mountain tops  for coal export.  We each have our issues.

Kind thoughts to all,  Nicky 
Rod (et  al.) 
In my  previous message (19 March message) I thought we were largely in 
agreement, but  now I fear we have entered the realm of cross-talk.  Perhaps we are 
not  really talking about the same things.  I initiated this dialog in 
response  to Helen’s question about cultivars.  I endeavored to explain (13 March  
message) what cultivars are, which is a tricky thing, because the origin and  
genetic makeup of cultivars can be so different from one example to the  next.  
 Further, I understood the context of Helen’s question to  concern 
merchandise for a plant sale, so I assumed that if cultivars were  involved, they would 
be cultivars of native plant species, and their use would  be as garden 
subjects, planted in someone’s yard—and certainly not in a natural  habitat nor to 
be used in an ecological restoration project.  Context  matters.  If I got the 
gist of Helen’s question wrong, or if anyone who has  kept up with this 
exchange has misunderstood the intended context of my words,  then I am sorry for 
the confusion. 
Based on the  content of your last message (22 March), it seems to me that 
you have addressed  a range of problems much broader than the specific matter of 
cultivars of native  species in gardens.  Your 22 March message cites 
examples of invasive  exotic species (aliens) and artificial inter-species hybrids, 
along with some  very reasonable principles of conservation genetics in the 
context of ecological  restoration.  Other than hybrid Monterey Pine (Pinus 
radiata), every  other example contained in that message seems (to me) extraneous 
to the topic of  native plant cultivars and the possible/potential negative 
impact of planting  them in garden settings.  See material below the stars (***) 
for my  comments on specific examples cited in your 22 March message.    
I think it  only muddies the water to equate cultivar with any plant that has 
entered, at  any point in its history, cultivation.  Kudzu and Japanese 
honeysuckle  were, at one time, intentionally cultivated, but that fact alone does 
not make  these plants as we encounter them in the landscape “cultivars.”  
That  simply is not the meaning of the word.  In an attempt to clarify this  
distinction:  Most Japanese honeysuckles have ordinary green leaves.   There 
exists a cultivar of Japanese honeysuckle called “Mint Crisp” that is  
distinguished from wild populations by a creamy speckled variegation pattern on  the 
leaves.   The plant that infests our woods and fields is  Lonicera japonica, a 
nasty invasive exotic species; one particular  genotype of that species is known 
as Lonicera japonica cultivar ‘Mint  Crisp.’  The Japanese honeysuckle that 
infests my woods is not a cultivar,  L. japonica ‘Mint Crisp’ offered for 
sale by some nurseries is.   (Please note: I am certainly neither condoning nor 
promoting the cultivation of  either plant—species or cultivar – just noting 
the distinction between the  two.)   
Perhaps I  should have provided more explicit examples of cultivars of native 
 species.  Here are a few.  There exists a form of Cimicifuga  racemosa that 
has unusually heavy deposits of anthocyanin pigment in the  leaves; these 
dark-leaved plants are known as Cimicifuga racemosa cv  ‘Atropurpurea.’  There 
are numerous selections of red maple based on the  specific hue of their fall 
color; thus we have Acer rubrum cv ‘Red  Sunset,’ Acer rubrum cv ‘October Glory,
’ Acer rubrum cv ‘Autumn  Flame,’ etc.  There is a selection of river birch 
with shaggier than usual  exfoliating bark that is known as Betula nigra ‘
Heritage.’  As I  attempted to explain in my first message, these examples of 
cultivars represent,  essentially, just small subsets of the genetic diversity 
that occurs at large in  populations of their “parent” species.  While it 
remains in my mind a  theoretical possibility that planting this sort of cultivar of 
a native plant in  a garden setting could have unforeseen negative 
consequence for truly  wild and natural populations, it is difficult – in most cases – 
to conceive what  the nature of that harm could possibly be.  I see no reason 
not to plant  these sorts of cultivars derived from native plants in gardens.  
Never did  I advocate planting this sort of cultivar in natural settings, nor 
did I  advocate use of cultivars for ecological restoration.    
Yes, it would  always be prudent to consider with great care the potential 
impact of  introducing any plant in the urban-natural interface (to borrow a 
concept from  the California Native Plant Society page that Nicky cited).  So, 
for  example, it would not be wise to plant purple coneflower (Echinacea  
purpurea) near populations of our rare native Echinacea  pallida.  Similarly, 
restraint should be exercised in planting hybrid  Monterey Pine near the few remnant 
and genetically isolated natural populations  of the species (in California). 
 Of course, rare plants are  rare and therefore likely to be distant from 
most backyard gardens.    
* *  * 
Comments on  examples cited in the 22 March message. 
Cornus  kousa, dogwood  anthracnose, sudden oak death, emerald ash borer, and 
hemlock wooly adlegid –  these are all cases of alien plants and animals 
having negative impacts on  native plants.  No argument, these are real problems, 
but they constitute  an issue different than the origin of this exchange about 
cultivars of native  plants. 
1. Colorado Native Plant  Site: 
_http://www.conps.org/pdf/Horticulture%20&%20Restoration/nativeplantdef.PDF_ 
(http://www.conps.org/pdf/Horticulture%20&%20Restoration/nativeplantdef.PDF)  
I think the  distinctions made therein between “native plant” and “local 
native plant” are  useful. 
The following  paragraph is copied directly from that same site: 
“Native  species are often "improved" by selection and propagation of 
individuals for  certain traits, such as early flowering or taller flower stalks. 
These selected  native plants are called cultivars. Cultivars are often not 
adapted to  local environmental conditions and may not thrive. Research has shown 
that some  cultivars will breed with local native plants and decrease a 
population's  fitness or ability to survive in an area. No one really knows what 
effect these  cultivars will have on the wildlife that depend on local native 
plant species  for food. If a local native plant's bloom period, color, or frost 
hardiness is  changed, it could have a drastic effect on the hummingbirds, bees 
and other  wildlife that may utilize them.” 
Despite the  assertions made in the third and subsequent sentences of that 
paragraph, I note  that no specific examples of native plant cultivars harming 
(decreasing fitness)  of local native plants are provided.  I wonder if the 
word cultivar was  used (inappropriately) in reference to any cultivated  plant? 
2.  Coneflowers, species of Echinacea: E. angustifolia, E. pallida,  E. 
atrorubens, or E. simulata.  
Distribution  maps for these coneflower species (and others) can be found at: 
_http://www.kbs.ku.edu/people/staff_www/kindscher/echinacea/maps2.htm_ 
(http://www.kbs.ku.edu/people/staff_www/kindscher/echinacea/maps2.htm)  
Quick perusal  suggests that ranges of these species are at most only 
modestly overlapping in  nature.  Grown in proximity in a common garden, they will 
hybridize.   So if a commercial grower offers seed from multiple coneflower 
species it is  quite likely that some significant proportion of the seed will not 
be  “true.”  No argument here.  But this is a question of mixing species  
from different geographic locations, not the issue of a cultivar of a (single)  
native species causing “harm” to the species at large from which it was  
derived.  I did acknowledge in my first (13 March) message that  interspecies 
hybrids could pose a risk of introducing new/different genes  into wild populations 
(see 4th paragraph from the end of that  message). 
3. Extract  from “Cultivars of Native Plants” by J. G. Norcini. 
I find no  real argument here.  Of course, “double flower” cultivars that ar
e sterile  (because stamens or carpels or both have been converted to petals) 
will have  absolutely no impact on the population genetics of nearby 
wild/native members of  the same species.  If someone finds this sort of double flower 
appealing,  there should be no worries about planting them in his/her garden.  
 
There is one  sentence: “For example, a dogwood cultivar derived from a 
natural population in  the northeastern U.S. would  not be appropriate to use in 
Florida.”  I don’t know what the author  intended, but the northeast dogwood 
simply might not grow well in Florida, so it could be  inappropriate that way.  
And it would certainly be inappropriate for  ecological restoration in Florida 
. . . but (again) that is a different  issue.  I have been saying all along 
that ecological restoration should be  based on local sources (see my first 
message – 13 March – third paragraph from  the end). 
4.  “Conservation of Genetic Resources” from xeriscaping article by B. C.  O’
Brien 
Mahonia/Berberis nevinii example – O’Brien sees no problem in  planting the 
native plant (in California) and neither do  I. 
Taraxacum  californicum example –  this is a problem with an invasive exotic 
crossing with a rare wild plant, and I  think we all agree that this is bad.  
Our common weedy invasive dandelion  is not a cultivar. 
Monterey Pine – Pinus radiata example – OK,  here is a case where the 
cultivated (infraspecific) hybrid (derived from a few  genetically isolated sources 
of a rare species) could have an impact if planted  where it could interbreed 
with the naturally occurring populations.  I will  not take a position on 
whether that impact would be good or bad . . . I can see  both arguments! 
5 _http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for98/for98.htm_ 
(http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for98/for98.htm)   The only reference to “cultivar” that I 
could find  on this page refers (fleetingly) to hybridization of coneflowers (see 
number 2  above). 
6. _www.ser.org/pdf/SER_restoration_genetics.pdf_ 
(http://www.ser.org/pdf/SER_restoration_genetics.pdf)   The title of the article is  “Introduction to 
Restoration Genetics.”  It looks like a very useful source  of information.  The 
term “cultivar” does not appear in the article.   “Genetic pollution” occurs 
once, in a context that reinforces the principle that  best practice is to 
use local plant resources when undertaking restoration  projects.  I have no 
argument with that. 
John 
W. John  Hayden 
Professor of  Biology 
Department of  Biology 
University of Richmond 
Richmond, VA 23173  USA 
phone -  804-289-8232 
FAX -  804-289-8233 
jhayden at richmond.edu 
http://www.richmond.edu/~jhayden/ 
John et  al, 
Thanks for  your comments.  I realize that this discussion quickly gets 
extremely  complicated and dense - much like the discussion on "what is native" 
that so  many of us spent so much time trying to clarify years ago,  especially 
when our native plant societies were being formed.  I  also realize how some of 
these topics, which I believe to be  strongly related and illustrative of the 
same central argument, can  appear at cross purposes or confusing to some. 
In my  opinion, examples like the Purple Coneflower, Monterey Pine, various 
cultivars,  and even Kousa Dogwood (referred to below) all speak to the same 
point:  native plant societies should protect and be advocates for their local 
native  flora and habitats.  The natural and not the artificial.  With all the  
planting going on these days, the threats to natural populations and habitats 
 increase because most (if not all) of the plants used are not from local  
sources and are not appropriate/native to that locality.  This is what  the 
Purple Coneflower, Monterey Pine, and Kousa Dogwood examples  illustrate. 
Ideally, a native plant society should not, in good  conscience, sell or 
advocate the use of "native plant" cultivars as native  plants.  Instead, we 
should tell folks, if these plants happen to be  sold at one of our plant sales, 
that these really are not native plants mainly  because a) many are man-made 
hybrids, i.e., Tradescantia x andersoniana, Aronia  x brilliantissima, 
Amelanchier x grandiflora, etc. (not to mention grafted Pink  Dogwoods, hybrids between 
American and Oriental Chestnuts and American and  European Elms, etc.) and b) 
those cultivars that represent small genetic  subsets of larger diversity, 
like Solidago rugosa "Fireworks", Tiarella  cordifolia "Sliprock", Ageratina 
altissima "Chocolate Ruffles", etc.,  are mass-produced, atypical plants that are 
not native or appropriate outside  the place they were discovered.  Moreover, 
those atypical varieties are  extremely rare/isolated in nature and definitely 
not the norm for the  species.  We should always maintain a strong 
distinction between the  ecological and that which is gardening.  Gardening, whether 
with  native plants, exotics, cultivars, or not, is still gardening.   It's a 
wonderful pursuit in its own right, but really a  separate enterprise from what a 
native plant society is  about.  In addition to being concerned with "what is 
native" and  "whether or not a cultivar will impact native flora", we should 
also be equally  concerned with the related and important question of where a 
plant is native  to, also taking into account a species'  rarity.    
I personally  do not have a problem with people planting whatever is not 
invasive or  ecologically destructive in their own gardens.  Too often as we all 
know,  however, some plants find their way into local natural areas; hugely  
destructive problems like the Emerald Ash Borer pop up as volumes of nursery  
stock arrive for landscaping purposes; and, occasionally, some cultivars can  
negatively impact local natural areas.  (In the Washington, D.C. region, 
Hydrangea arboresecens  "Grandiflora" has seeded into Soapstone Valley of Rock Creek  
Park, Sugar and Red Maples commonly seed from nursery stock, seedlings  of 
cultivars of Phlox paniculata are fairly common; seedlings of Tradescantia x  
andersoniana have been noted, and so forth.  Moreover, I have seen on  several 
occasions inappropriate native plants and cultivars that  were purchased at 
native plant society plant sales and planted in natural  areas as restoration 
projects.  Upon inquiring, I was told that the  plants were purchased without any 
advice, caution, etc. at the plant sales with  grant monies earmarked for 
restoration.  They thought they were native and  suitable since the local native 
plant society sold them!  (The  problem isn't as much whether John or I 
advocate the use of these  plants in natural areas - we don't! - but the fact that 
on numerous occasions  they do get planted there or escape there and some of 
this is  our fault!)  We need to include a disclaimer (or at least a  comment) 
at all of our native plant society plant sales that none of the plants  offered 
(exceptions notwithstanding) are appropriate for restoration  purposes with a 
brief explanation of why that's so - that they are for  home gardens only!  
In short, we just have to be careful about what we  plant, ask whether it's 
really necessary to plant a particular plant,  and give those less informed good 
and clear advice on how to be a good  neighbor to surrounding natural  areas.  
                
Rod



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