[MPWG] Ginseng production in containers?

Sat Feb 11 16:08:37 CST 2006

This is great advice about planting ginseng, but I still can't get even one seed past the wild turkeys, who literally gobble them up before the mice and chipmonks can get at them.

Here in PA there are so many rocks just under the forest soil that most plants are growing in what are basically pockets of soil, or right on top of rocks, I am not so sure that isn't fairly much like a "container" after all.  If as Susan comments the market wants "perceived" wild roots, why not start them in containers, kept somewhere where the wild turkey and mice won't get at them, and then plant them out once you've got a seedling?  Lots of work yes but at least you know you've got germination.  

Just a thought.  Maybe I'll try it myself, since in my case it would be for personal use and not for the perceived wild market.

Best regards, Jennifer Chesworth

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From: Michael Schenk <schenkmj at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:36:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [MPWG] Ginseng production in containers?

Susan, Robyn, et al, 

One slight variation I've used for "speed-planting" wild-simulated ginseng is to 
rake back a patch of leaves, scatter some seed lightly on the area ( maybe 6 
seeds per sqare foot), and use the rake to tap and toss the soil of that patch 
lightly until the seeds are covered.  I might push a few in with my fingers.  
Then I rake the leaf litter back.  I try to cover the patch with the older, more 
broken-up litter to give the shoots a little easier path to light.  There's 
minimal disturbance of soil, and it gives the seeds a little more protection.  I 
plant goldenseal between the patches.  I've also done rows in the soil that 
collects along the upslope sides of logs by similar raking methods, and I agree 
that it seems to do well there.

Mike

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>Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:26:14 -0600
>From: "Farrington, Susan J \(UMC-Student\)" <sjfcmd at mizzou.edu>
>Subject: Re: [MPWG] Ginseng production in containers?
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>Steve and list-members,
> 
>I have just finished up my master's thesis on the ecology of American ginseng 
in Missouri, including wild simulated cultivation. I would not recommend to the 
farmer that he try to raise ginseng in containers... ginseng is only worth good 
money if it is perceived as "wild" whether that be truly wild or wild simulated. 
Cultivated roots sell for about $15 a dried pound versus $250 to $600 a dried 
pound for "wild" root. 
> 
>There are as many methods of planting wild simulated ginseng as there are 
people who do it, but since this farmer is up against time, I would just suggest 
that he plant it in the simplest and most natural way: walk through the woods, 
look for good spots to plant it, rake the leaves away, scatter the seeds lightly 
(you only want 3 to 5 adult plants per square foot, so scatter maybe 10 to 12 
seeds per square foot), kick the leaves back over the plants and walk away. 
Using this method, I planted an entire pound of stratified seeds in my woods in 
about 4-5 hours a couple weeks back. Potting up all those seeds would take much 
more time than that! While some farmers till the soil first, this is not only 
labor intensive, it also damages tree roots and other plants that may help to 
protect the ginseng from disease, etc. 
> 
>Choose sites that have good canopy cover, good drainage (slightly sloping is 
ideal), and where the soil appears reasonably rich. I like to sow it up against 
rotting logs and stumps, since that's where I so often see it in nature, and the 
humus is usually very rich in this microsites. 
> 
>Granted, my method will mean that the plants will grow completely naturally, 
and therefore very slowly... I don't expect to harvest my roots for at least 8-9 
years and probably longer. While ginseng can be grown much more quickly (3-4 
years) with more intense cultivation, the roots may not be worth much if they 
don't have that "wild" look. 
> 
>Part of my research was to conduct germination trials, and I found that burying 
the seed at about 1 inch improves germination (about 80% germination with this 
method), but simply scattering the seed and covering it up with leaf litter 
resulted in about 50% germination, and given the time it takes to bury the 
seeds, I was willing to scatter my own.
> 
>Good luck to your farmer!
> 
>Susan Farrington
>Eminence, Missouri
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>Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:30:18 -0700 (MST)
>From: rrr at montana.com
>Subject: Re: [MPWG] Ginseng production in containers?
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>Susan,
>Thanks for your very informative posting.
>
>I might emphasize also that perception of wildness is extremely important
>to practicing herbalists. However, quality and potency may actually be
>found in cultivated crops. Take Cannabis for example. Wild Cannabis is not
>as "potent" as cultivated. That is, cultivation CAN make a difference.
>
>Another example are di dao herbs in China. Chinese herbalists insist that
>some herbs are best grown in specific locations in China; or that Chinese
>herbs grown in America are not the same as those found in China. These are
>cultivated crops, not wild.
>
>The perception of "wild is better" is a slippery slope, because it puts
>wild species at risk of unsustainable harvesting.
>
>There is not much research on this "perception" or bias. It would be nice
>if we could see some evidence of this perception. If anyone can suggest
>research on this topic, please do so. Thanks.
>
>Best Regards,
>Robyn Klein, AHG Herbalist, MSc., Medical Botany
>Department of Plant Sciences and Plant Pathology
>MSU-Bozeman
>
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