[MPWG] reply to mr Eric andsome ELIXER PLANTS .dr.vidhyasagar

[Wolkow, Robert]

-----Original Message-----
From: Wolkow, Robert 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:29 AM
To: 'PCA's Medicinal Plant Working Group List'
Subject: RE: [MPWG] reply to mr Eric andsome ELIXER PLANTS .dr.vidhyasagar


All
 
Any of us that make claims that plants, plant products, plant extracts,
drugs, or any other form of treatment for any sort of medical condition
should ideally know and understand the evidence that supports the safety and
effectiveness of the treatment. To say that something is safe and
efficacious simply because people use it  or healers have observed
successsful treatments is not only illogical but dangerous both to people
who expect cures that may or may not happen and to the natural products that
may be exploited for spurious reasons and in so doing become endangered. Why
is it considered wrong to to kill bears for their gall bladders but not to
pick plants whose efficacy is equally either unproven or more often simply
untested?
 
 
Without some sort of objective (call it scientific if you will) testing of
safety and efficacy of what  we give our patients, beliefs, usage history,
case reports, patient testimonials and the like are at best akin to an
educated guess and at worst quackery , often to enrich the prescriber.
Beware claims for which the claim itself is the only evidence and remember
that  most people usually recover from most illnesses regardless of the
treatment.
 
Rob Wolkow MD 

-----Original Message-----
From: r vidhyasagar [mailto:dr_vidhyasagar_54 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:19 PM
To: MPWG at lists.plantconservation.org
Subject: [MPWG] reply to mr Eric andsome ELIXER PLANTS .dr.vidhyasagar


  

Mr. ,Eric means me the offender I am not sure; anyhow debates will bring
truth in to light. Some other members responded to that letter and expressed
their different views.

      Actually why I started to give the messages is only after seeing that
Ginsengs sold at exorbited prices. It is not the only herb to be
appreciated; there are many which the world does not know. Ginseng is not
known in India; we have different plant tonics. To expose them to the other
world I am writing. For example [Amber Grise] just half a gram a single dose
will improve strength. It is said to be the sperm of whale, it floats in the
sea and by wave movements it reaches shore. Throughout the Indian shore and
in the Andaman Islands shore people are searching it's arrival They collect
and sell it. Another strength product is musk. It is a particular species of
a deer variety It is deer's prostrate gland. It strengthens heart muscles
even can save a person from minor heart Attack. In ancient days Indian kings
regularly consumed these products. They were strong warriors and married a
number of ladies

     I suggest a simple alternative for Ginseng

ALOES [aloe barbadensis]used as a rejuvenator and disease curer T here are
sub species ,The common variety , red sap variety. Stripes variety etc.the
inner jelly is taken washed with water

For several times and take this in a bowel add sugar and ghee and eat .20
-30 grams a dose

In the morning and evening. This is one method. It is told that onc'e eye
power will increase

That of eagles.

It works in uterus. Removes menstrual pain of young girls, works in dys
menorhea ,corrects

Menstrual flow and cycle also works in fibroid tumors and cancer tumours. As
it increases

Menstrual bleeding it cannot be tried with cancer patients with excess
uterine bleeding condition.

Another formula for cancer is make a jam of this by adding,piper logam,
piper nigrum,gingiper officinales all equal quantities add sugar  ghee make
jam and use for cancer patients.

      Another tonic formula is, myristica officinalis, myristic officinalis
arillus,myrtus caryophyllus

Powdered and made jam. This acts on endocrine system; Girls with flat chest
will develop beautiful figure, men will grow masculine, Adults sex vigor
increases several fold high.

That myristica may slightly increases blood pressure and take care while
dealing with hypertension patients.

 

Mr Eric mentions the matter is not scientific.

In my experience science is not perfct. Skin patients are prescribed with
cortico steroids for several years neither skin disease gone and a new
problem arrived that is osteo arthritis due to bone weakness caused by the
drug. Rhumatic patients develop stomach burning and pain due 

To nasid drugs.prenidisolone causes ir reparbledamage to rheumatic patients
and makes them ill allover their life. If suppose all these patients attend
a Indian medicine expert at the initial stage

They all could be very well cured. Every day I am attending patients damaged
by modern medicine. Many of them getting cured by Indian medicine .The word
science or story is not 

Important those who cures a patient is a doctor and not one who posses a
degree.

   In India there may be one or two million native medicine practitioners.
There are bonesetters

Jaundice specialist, skin specialist experienced in a particular field only.
Also there are learned

Doctors in all government hospitals to attend all illness. Also there are
super specialist who challenge and cure difficult disases. Our knowledge
should not become extinct. So we speak 

About our medicine inT. V, write articles in news papers Iam also forwarding
in net. Transfer it 

To generation to generation. Preserving knowledge is important to us.

THE STORY OF A IGNORANT WOOD CUTTER

In ancient days the king went to the forest for hunting and found a man
cutting wooden logs 

He looked very poor and king asked him why he is cutting. The man told he is
making charcoal

>From wood and selling in market and told him life is miserable to him. The
king told him don't 

Worry I will make you rich and took him to another portion of the forest and
showed him a tree

You cut this and you will become rich and went. It was a sandal wood tree
very costly. After 

A month the king found him in the market seeing him selling charcoal asked
him whether  

He cut that tree he showed. That man told I cut that tree made charcoal and
not yet rich.

       One should not be ignorant of plants applications on humans. If you
are ignorant then 

The plants will be useful to Goat farming and not for medical practice.

Thank you All,

R.vidhyasagar.

 



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