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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Wolkow, Robert
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 26, 2004 9:29 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'PCA's
Medicinal Plant Working Group List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [MPWG] reply to
mr Eric andsome ELIXER PLANTS .dr.vidhyasagar<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=810171414-26012004><FONT face=Arial
color=#008000><STRONG>All</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=810171414-26012004><FONT face=Arial
color=#008000><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=810171414-26012004><FONT face=Arial
color=#008000><STRONG>Any of us that make claims that plants, plant
products, plant extracts, drugs, or any other form of treatment for
any sort of medical condition should ideally know and understand the
evidence that supports the safety and effectiveness of the treatment. To say
that something is safe and efficacious simply because people use
it or healers have observed successsful treatments is not only
illogical but dangerous both to people who expect cures that may or may not
happen and to the natural products that may be exploited for spurious
reasons and in so doing become endangered. Why is it considered wrong to to
kill bears for their gall bladders but not to pick plants whose efficacy is
equally either unproven or more often
simply untested?</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=810171414-26012004><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#008000></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=810171414-26012004><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#008000></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=810171414-26012004><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#008000>Without some sort of objective (call it scientific if you
will) testing of safety and efficacy of what we give our patients,
beliefs, usage history, case reports, patient testimonials and the like are
at best akin to an educated guess and at worst quackery , often
to enrich the prescriber. Beware claims for which the claim itself
is the only evidence and remember that most people usually recover
from most illnesses regardless of the
treatment.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=810171414-26012004></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=810171414-26012004><STRONG><FONT face=Arial
color=#008000>Rob Wolkow MD</FONT></STRONG> </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> r vidhyasagar
[mailto:dr_vidhyasagar_54@yahoo.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 22,
2004 8:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
MPWG@lists.plantconservation.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [MPWG] reply to mr
Eric andsome ELIXER PLANTS .dr.vidhyasagar<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoBodyText>Mr. ,Eric means me the offender I am not sure; anyhow
debates will bring truth in to light. Some other members responded to that
letter and expressed their different views.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Actually
why I started to give the messages is only after seeing that Ginsengs sold
at exorbited prices. It is not the only herb to be appreciated; there are
many which the world does not know. Ginseng is not known in India; we have
different plant tonics. To expose them to the other world I am writing.
For example [Amber Grise] just half a gram a single dose will improve
strength. It is said to be the sperm of whale, it floats in the sea and by
wave movements it reaches shore. Throughout the Indian shore and in the
Andaman Islands shore people are searching it's arrival They collect and
sell it. Another strength product is musk. It is a particular species of a
deer variety It is deer's prostrate gland. It strengthens heart muscles
even can save a person from minor heart Attack. In ancient days Indian
kings regularly consumed these products. They were strong warriors and
married a number of ladies<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I suggest a
simple alternative for Ginseng<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">ALOES [aloe
barbadensis]used as a rejuvenator and disease curer T here are sub species
,The common variety , red sap variety. Stripes variety etc.the inner jelly
is taken washed with water<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">For several times and
take this in a bowel add sugar and ghee and eat .20 -30 grams a
dose<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">In the morning and
evening. This is one method. It is told that onc'e eye power will
increase<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">That of
eagles.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">It works in uterus.
Removes menstrual pain of young girls, works in dys menorhea
,corrects<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Menstrual flow and
cycle also works in fibroid tumors and cancer tumours. As it
increases<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Menstrual bleeding it
cannot be tried with cancer patients with excess uterine bleeding
condition.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Another formula for
cancer is make a jam of this by adding,piper logam, piper nigrum,gingiper
officinales all equal quantities add sugar<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>ghee make jam and use for cancer
patients.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Another
tonic formula is, myristica officinalis, myristic officinalis<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>arillus,myrtus
caryophyllus<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Powdered and made jam.
This acts on endocrine system; Girls with flat chest will develop
beautiful figure, men will grow masculine, Adults sex vigor increases
several fold high.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">That myristica may
slightly increases blood pressure and take care while dealing with
hypertension patients.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Mr Eric mentions the
matter is not scientific.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">In my experience
science is not perfct. Skin patients are prescribed with cortico steroids
for several years neither skin disease gone and a new problem arrived that
is osteo arthritis due to bone weakness caused by the drug. Rhumatic
patients develop stomach burning and pain due <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">To nasid
drugs.prenidisolone causes ir reparbledamage to rheumatic patients and
makes them ill allover their life. If suppose all these patients attend a
Indian medicine expert at the initial stage<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">They all could be very
well cured. Every day I am attending patients damaged by modern medicine.
Many of them getting cured by Indian medicine .The word science or story
is not <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Important those who
cures a patient is a doctor and not one who posses a
degree.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In India there may be one or
two million native medicine practitioners. There are
bonesetters<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Jaundice specialist,
skin specialist experienced in a particular field only. Also there are
learned<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Doctors in all
government hospitals to attend all illness. Also there are super
specialist who challenge and cure difficult disases. Our knowledge should
not become extinct. So we speak <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">About our medicine
inT. V, write articles in news papers Iam also forwarding in net. Transfer
it <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">To generation to
generation. Preserving knowledge is important to us.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">THE STORY OF A
IGNORANT WOOD CUTTER<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">In ancient days the
king went to the forest for hunting and found a man cutting wooden logs
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">He looked very poor
and king asked him why he is cutting. The man told he is making
charcoal<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">From wood and selling
in market and told him life is miserable to him. The king told him don't
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Worry I will make you
rich and took him to another portion of the forest and showed him a
tree<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">You cut this and you
will become rich and went. It was a sandal wood tree very costly. After
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">A month the king found
him in the market seeing him selling charcoal asked him whether<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">He cut that tree he
showed. That man told I cut that tree made charcoal and not yet
rich.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One
should not be ignorant of plants applications on humans. If you are
ignorant then <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">The plants will be
useful to Goat farming and not for medical practice.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Thank you
All,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">R.vidhyasagar.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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