[APWG] Ecosystem restoration and alien species eradication Re:Performance standards to get weed-free and 100% native
Wayne Tyson
landrest at cox.net
Fri Aug 14 17:28:51 CDT 2009
Karen, hang in there and keep your finger in the dike. You have a good idea, so it is "doomed" to "failure." That's what it has been like to be on the cutting edge of anything, and while it is frustrating, the only way to handle it is to have patience and to never give up. Having tried and failed for years in a larger context to foster the understanding of ecosystems (insofar as I may "understand" them), I suspect that your "tiny municipality" may be the kind of place where major advances are feasible. The good intentions are not only pavement to Hell, they are also the springboard to quantum leaps. It's a mixed bag, and one must be satisfied with incremental success. The best thing about "tiny" municipalities is that everybody knows everybody--that should keep the rage factor down and the cooperative factor up. (No, I don't expect Pollyanna to be spreading daisies before anyone's feet.) On the larger scale, one must tread with caution, but paying off and trading off may turn out to be better than hoping for the pristine and having to settle for even less. This is a hard thing to predict, and requires the "gathering" of intelligence data, which will require the aid of those who are no bored to tears by gathering it while others are thus freed to work on the technical details. Beware of borderline personalities and fifth-columnists.
Grace, sorry that y'all got flim-flammed this time, but don't let them take any more soil from anywhere anymore. In fact, if you can get some of it back before it dies and replace it (incorporate it into the remaining sterile subsoil) in even a thin layer, that can help. Wanting that, you can start the arduous process of rebuilding new topsoil. It may take a long time, starting with strange methods and indigenous (rarely, but sometimes it may be necessary to use exotic plants that are STERILE so they can't reproduce--either sexually or asexually) plants that can tolerate existing conditions and act as transitional habitat. It's a big job, but it can be done with surprisingly little money and effort.
WT
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Blumer
To: gg lilly
Cc: apwg at lists.plantconservation.org
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [APWG] Ecosystem restoration and alien species eradication Re:Performance standards to get weed-free and 100% native
Grace Lilly's note raises two issues for me. Certainly, as a professional ecologist whose specialty is restoration of native habitats to local genotype -- no bringing in any non-site plants, propagules, etc. -- restoration is one. I need to catch up on some of the back APWG correspondence however, so that topic for another day.
The other is how these types of decisions get made. I live in a small Village on Long Island, NY, perhaps like Swanzey -- strong on good intentions toward the environment (although with the report below, not sure that applies there) but weak, mercilessly weak, on ecosystem wisdom or ecological knowledge. I would be interested to hear from anyone from a small or large municipality that has successfully managed (or even tried and failed) to incorporate an ecologist or small panel of ecological/biological/(maybe even horticultural -- although that is a different mindset) panel of knowledgeable people into their decision making process. It might serve as a good model as my tiny municipality moves toward revamping their code.
I am also involved as a consultant in a much larger regional area of Long Island about to formulate some innovative and radical approaches to land-use policy and design, so any models would be welcome. I personally agree with R. Dasmann, that we are already engaged in WW III, the war against the earth, and, unfortunately, we are winning. All the more reason to offer assistance where we can.
Many thanks,
Karen Blumer
Karen Blumer
Ecologist
Ecosystem Based Management Projects
15 Dickerson Drive
Shoreham, NY 11786
631-821-3337
Fax 631-849-3118
growingwild at optonline.net
On Aug 14, 2009, at 1:55 PM, gg lilly wrote:
Hi,
Guess I'm one of the "lurkers."
I've been following this conversation because in 2006, the board of
selectmen in Swanzey, NH, sold the topsoil of 5 conservation acres running
beside a river to a builder. Part of the land had been a gravel pit 30 years
ago; pioneer trees like pine and gray birch were repopulating the land.
Invasive glossy buckthorn and Tartarian honeysuckle were growing along the
river.
In return for the topsoil, the town received 4 adjacent acres with a
conservation easement; the topsoil was removed from that land too. The land
would be storm mitigation for the builder.
The second part of the contract was the builder would build a dirt road onto
the property with a turnaround and parking lot so that people could put
their canoes or kayaks into the river.
Finally, the builder seeded the gravel with an assortment of plants; most of
what is growing is clover.
Of course, with no topsoil, Japanese knotweed has established on the dry
sunny areas; purple loosestrife is growing in the mitigation area and
culverts.
The Conservation Commission is going to spray Round-up on the knotweed; they
haven't noticed the loosestrife. However, I know enough about knotweed to
know that won't work.
And that is why I am following the conversation.
Grace Lilly (another amateur)
Swanzey, NH
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[mailto:apwg-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:46 AM
To: apwg at lists.plantconservation.org
Subject: [APWG] Ecosystem restoration and alien species eradication
Re:Performance standards to get weed-free and 100% native
Craig and all:
It appears that other subscribers aren't interested in this topic, but I
think we should continue it anyway, in the hopes that a few will get
interested, or that it will stimulate "lurkers" to think about it. While I'm
greatly looking forward to a possible visit to your project and discussing
the particulars with you in depth, I suggest that we owe it to the
subscribers of this list to iron out the issues that each of us has raised
one at a time. I'll be interested in your ideas about this and those of any
who care to join in.
Let's again revisit the issue of the importance of well-coordinated
restoration with eradication programs. You and I agree on this, I believe,
but perhaps there are others on the list who think that restoration is
unnecessary or irrelevant.
I hope that all who may not agree will post their ideas on this particular
subject and that the discussion sticks to this one subject before moving on
to digressions. I am very interested in where subscribers to this list stand
on this subject. The only way I know to interpret their silence is to
presume that they agree and see no need for discussion or that they don't
want to discuss it for other reasons.
WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Dremann - Redwood City Seed Company" <Craig at astreet.com>
To: <apwg at lists.plantconservation.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:23 PM
Subject: [APWG] Performance standards to get weed-free and 100% native
Dear Wayne and All,
I want to start my reply, to wax poetically about how nice walking through
a restored, a weed-free North American native ecosystem can be.
It is like visiting the Promised Land, a fairy tale land that people talk
about at annual wildland weed meetings--what would an area look like, that
they have been weeding for years or decades, if it was not only weed free,
but was 100% covered with the original pre-Columbian native ecosystem
understory?
The Shaw property is like a flawless 74-acre diamond, currently set in an
unending ocean of almost a 100% solid exotic understory of over 1,000
species of weeds, going 250 miles to the North, 200 miles to the East and
600 miles to the South, to the Mexican border.
===============
Wayne wrote:
Mowing before seed-set is a reasonably good practice in some contexts, it
may not always be practical (e.g., 2:1 slopes, etc.).
Reply: 99% of lower elevation California is gentle slopes to fairly flat,
so the level to gently sloping wildlands should be converted first, while
there are still viable native seeds in the soil seedbank.
If the native seeds in the soil seed bank are already 35-100 years old, my
big concern is we will not get started in this conversion back to 100%
native cover process, in time to take advantage of the viable native seeds
that are lying dormant underneath the exotics, before they lose their
viability.
The clock is ticking for these native seeds lying dormant in the soil
seedbanks, waiting for us to pay attention to them within our and their
lifetimes, otherwise their lives will be lost forever.
===============
Wayne wrote: Once a site has been dominated by weeds for a year or two,
not to mention decades or centuries, there is a considerable buildup of
dormant seeds in the soil's seed bank. Mowing can't get those, nor can it
get all of the standing crop.
Reply: Mowing absolutely must to get the standing crop of weed seeds
before they ripen, for that year, and contrary to popular belief, you do
not have to be concerned about the dormant weed seeds in the soil.
What has been happening over the last decades or hundred years, is that
the percentage cover of the weeds tipped the balance, where the weed
densities were able to use allelopathic chemicals to suppress the
germination of the dormant native seeds in the soil.
See Journal of Chemical Ecology, especially Dr. Liu's 1994 and 1995 papers
on a method to study plant-produced allelopathic chemicals as an
independent plant suppression system, separate from competition for water,
nutrients, sunlight, etc..
Where the concern should be focused, instead of the weed seed bank, is
managing and resurrecting the native seeds in the soil seedbank, and once
you cross a percentage native cover threshold, the natives will start
permanently suppressing the weeds still viable in the soil.
Those weed seeds will remain alive underneath the natives for a long, long
time, but once you get the right densities or the right local natives in
place, the natives will suppress the weed seeds from every germinating
again, the weed seeds will eventually die in the soil. Weeds Rest in
Peace.
=================
Wayne wrote:
Then there's the issue of the thatch/chaff, post-mowing regrowth, and
other specifics that raise questions.
Reply: Thatch is not a problem. Fortunately most of the weeds that cover
California are annuals, but for the perennials that might regrow, is
where a little brushing of the cut surfaces with Roundup might be
necessary, like Pampas grass, Harding grass, etc.
=================
Wayne wrote:
Not only that, but the vital importance that such treated sites must
self-sustain rather than be continuously treated for eternity.
Reply: That is why for the Performance Standards that I am recommending
for restoration of California perennial native grassland habitats, on my
web page at http://www.ecoseeds.com/standards.html is that you need to
make the conversion from exotic cover, back to at least 95% native cover,
within 90 days or less, with no future maintenance.
If you have to weed after the 90th day, you need to do your small scale
test plots over, until you get the right native cover that stops the weeds
cold. It is like a poker game, you have to lay down your Royal Flush of
local natives, to beat the local weeds. You do not want to have to keep
playing hand after hand of weeding-poker to eternity.
The only maintenance that might have to be done after the 90th day, is to
add more local native species to increase the diversity, and to fill in
gaps where native plant understory families have been catastrophically
exterminated, like California and the West.
Sincerely, Craig Dremann (650) 325-7333
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