[MPWG] ginseng in the news

ForestRuss at aol.com ForestRuss at aol.com
Sat Sep 7 07:12:59 CDT 2013


Bob:
 
An excellent description of the problem.  I live in a part of the  world 
where it is OK to "take" anything from a relative without permission but a  
horrible crime if they "steal" the same thing from you.
 
Situation specific semantics....a complete and special chapter in the  
Appalachian redneck dictionary.
 
Russ Richardson
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2013 7:53:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rlb14 at cornell.edu writes:

 
Hi All 
Poaching is the illegal harvest of a natural resource, whether it is  
ginseng, Galax, yellow root, or deer for that matter. The natural resource is  
not the property of an individual unless that individual planted it. Stealing  
is the deliberate taking of someone else's private property. People who are 
 growing ginseng on their land are subject to theft, not poaching. I wish  
ginseng growers would stop saying that they have been "poached" when in fact 
 they have been robbed. Poaching evokes an "aw shucks, them rednecks are at 
it  again" response from many authorities. Grand theft or larceny does not 
evoke  the same response. Ginseng stewards sometimes poach the plant, but 
for good  reasons. When regulators decide that September 1 is when ginseng 
should be  harvested, they are making an arbitrary decision that is based on 
average  berry ripening dates. No plant pays attention to regulations.  
Berries ripen when it is time for them to ripen, not when someone says they  
should be ripe. A responsible ginseng steward will harvest when berries are  ripe 
and replant them. Sometimes this makes him or her a poacher if that date  
is August 15th and the season opens September 1.  
Preserving the genetic integrity of wild populations is a worthy goal,  but 
I believe that few, truly wild, populations exist. Michael Mc  Guffin is 
correct when he says that the influx of "cultivated"  genotypes into forest 
ecosystems is widespread and it has been that way for  over a century. Some 
states, such as my own (NY), prohibit the harvest of  seeds from "wild" 
populations thus making preservation of local gene  pools impossible. NY requires 
replanting the seed within 50 feet of the  harvested root. Exotic slugs are 
widespread in NY forests and they  may completely prohibit ginseng 
regeneration, while allowing mature  plants to survive their predation. Taking seeds 
from slug infested areas  and replanting them in areas that are not slug 
infested is illegal. if  there must be a regulation why not it state that 
"Ginseng may only be  harvested when the berries are red". Is that so hard to 
comprehend? How to  enforce? Harvesters with ginseng in their pack must also 
have red berries with  them.  No digger could have ripe berries in May or 
June. 
Enforcement of any of the current regulations is almost impossible anyway,  
as has been well documented. We cannot post police officers in every Hollow 
in  Appalachia. The forest ranger in this video made that point.  
We need to recognize that ginseng can be an agricultural entity in suitable 
 forested land, as well as a valued natural resource. When that  happens, 
the harvest pressure on natural populations on public land will  be reduced.  
Bob 
  
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From: Jeanine Davis  [Jeanine_Davis at ncsu.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 3:03  PM
To: Robert Layton Beyfuss
Cc:  mpwg at lists.plantconservation.org; moonbranch at earthlink.net; Frank T. 
Adams;  Jessica Bernier; Jeanine Davis
Subject: Re: [MPWG] ginseng in the  news




Bob, there is a difference between most wild harvesters and  poachers. Many 
wild harvesters try to replant and leave plants for the future.  Poachers 
are thieves. They steal from public and private land and they are not  
concerned about the future. In western NC there is a high influx of outsiders,  
often working in groups that are poaching ginseng, galax, ramps and moss.  
Poachers are a major reason why wild simulated ginseng growers give up in our  
region. 
I agree with most else in your letter. Thank you for writing it but  please 
consider distinguishing between a wild harvester and a poacher. 
Jeanine 
Jeanine Davis, Associate Professor & Extension  Specialist
Dept. of Horticultural Science, NC State University
website:  _ncherb.org_ (http://ncherb.org/) 
Sent from my Droid 
On Sep 6, 2013 1:55 PM, "Robert Layton Beyfuss" <_rlb14 at cornell.edu_ 
(mailto:rlb14 at cornell.edu) > wrote:


 
Hi All 
I have attached a letter that I am considering sending to CBS about their  
"news" story. I don't mean to glorify poachers at all, but there is a  
difference between poaching and stealing.  
Bob 
  
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From:  MPWG [_mpwg-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org_ 
(mailto:mpwg-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org) ] on behalf of  MoonBranch Botanicals 
[_moonbranch at earthlink.net_ (mailto:moonbranch at earthlink.net) ]
Sent: Friday,  September 06, 2013 12:53 PM
To: _mpwg at lists.plantconservation.org_ 
(mailto:mpwg at lists.plantconservation.org) 
Cc: Jessica  Bernier; Frank T. Adams
Subject: Re: [MPWG] ginseng in the  news




Where to start…  
For sure, as in many contemporary issues, this  “situation” is what 
happens when a complex and multi-faceted issues meets a  30 second sound/video 
bite passed off as “news” by the MSM. Unfortunately  (and perhaps striking 
more closely to “the root” of the problem) a 30 second  allotment meets the 
expected attention span of most of their viewers, so I  can’t put all the 
blame on the media I suppose. 
That said, UPS shares a most valid concern with all, or  at least most of 
us in this community. While plants in general do not elicit  the same “warm 
and fuzzy” feeling in the so-called environmental community  as do the “
charismatic mega-fauna” like the bald eagle or perhaps the timber  wolf, 
American ginseng is perhaps our best candidate in terms of reaching  “charismatic 
mega-flora” status. Now if we could just all focus on how best  to use that 
status to sustain it in the wild. 
Once again, I find myself beating on the “policy does not  work” drum. 
Unfortunately, policy as a management tool is all our  bureaucrats and 
technocrats understand. The use of force and the threat of  use of force is not only 
undesirable in terms of effecting long term change,  it is costly, 
ineffective and unsustainable. Consider for a moment the  failed “war on drugs”, 
Prohibition, and the illegality of prostitution as a  few prime examples for 
comparison here. In all cases the negative fallout  from “unintended 
consequences” were and are far worse than the social ills  that the policies were 
put in place to remedy. The prevailing prohibition  policy thinking in our 
society never solves any problems or social ill, it  only serves as a mechanism 
in forcing them to retreat to the shadowy  recesses of societal fringes 
where they “metastasize” and get really, really  ugly. Too bad that only 
treating the symptoms of our problems is the order  of our day. 
I believe Thoreau got it right in this, as he did with  most things, when 
he stated: “There are a thousand hacking at the branches  of evil to one who 
is striking at the root.” I for one believe it is high  time to do some root 
cause analysis here. Is that too much to ask? Or is  it, as an approach, 
too grounded in logic, common sense, and realism to be  considered? OR, 
perhaps is there here, as in many areas, another agenda at  play? I have to ask… 
Perhaps it is simply just too profitable for some of our  “leaders” to 
resist supplying state, federal, and local governments with tax  dollars for 
armored personnel carriers, guns, ammo, night vision, GPS units,  body armor, 
uniforms, and on and on in the name of protecting the Natural  World from 
us, along with us from each other. Is it, much as in the warning  contained in 
President Eisenhower’s farewell address regarding a then newly  emerging “
military-industrial complex”, that poachers and poaching are just  another 
point of profit for the state and their corporate minions feeding a  very 
well documented “prison/judicial industrial complex”? Has “corporatism”  
(fascism really) so engulfed the political system of our Nation that policy  is 
enacted with expectation for profit and not much else? I have to ask as I  
see no other reason for the insane continuation of such a short-sighted and  
ineffective way to affect change and steer human behavior.  
There are many productive ways to address this and many  issues of our 
time. All of them require the establishment of an open  dialogue and active 
participation of ALL stakeholders. This is, and will  continue to be the only 
way to safeguard our future, the future of American  ginseng along with a 
broader total bio-diversity, and indeed our planet. 
In closing, pragmatism forces me to touch briefly on the  subject of 
cultivation. By “cultivation” I am referring to the intentional  growing of 
ginseng (or anything really) in a landscape or scenario greatly  altered to 
maximize the production of one, or perhaps just a few species.  While I do 
believe that cultivation in the narrow sense as just stated has  its place, it is 
not the answer. Consider this on your next visit to the zoo  of your 
choosing. Is relegating the plants of the world to some carefully  controlled, yet 
contrived existence really your vision for our future? Of  what is 
sustainable? 
If not, then let us join forces through a voluntary  marketplace to build 
value, both economic and abstract, for all life, before  we reach a point 
where we cannot or perhaps will not be “allowed” to turn  this ship around. 
Respectfully submitted for due consideration and with the  most benevolent 
of intents, 
Robin 

-----Original  Message----- 
From: Colin Donohue 
Sent: Sep 5, 2013 8:28 PM 
To:  Jeanine Davis 
Cc: mpwg 
Subject: Re: [MPWG] ginseng in the news  

Absolutely.

That would be great. I regret I'm not in the role  I once was, but this 
issue is still dear to my heart. 

A meeting of  the minds, and forging of common strategies and efforts could 
be a great  thing in both stewarding 'sang in the wild and supporting 
lifeways of the  responsible ginseng stewards and harvesters out there.  

C


On 9/5/2013 8:23 PM, Jeanine Davis wrote:


On an open forum all I am willing to say is that I am not  amused and this 
story could have been more accurate and hopeful. We do  need to brainstorm 
on strategies to reduce poaching to conserve wild  populations and encourage 
more wild simulated production.  I have  some ideas, that are built on 
consumer demand and pressure. 
Jeanine 
Jeanine Davis, Associate Professor & Extension  Specialist
Dept. of Horticultural Science, NC State  University
website: _ncherb.org_ (http://ncherb.org/) 
Sent from my  Droid 
On Sep 5, 2013 7:46 PM, "Michael McGuffin" <_MMcguffin at ahpa.org_ 
(mailto:MMcguffin at ahpa.org) > wrote:


 
Hello  Colin,  
I  could not agree with you more that the information presented by Robert  
Eidus was unfortunate, at best. But  Susan Leopold was exactly correct in 
calling attention to the very  limited resources that are applied to plant 
conservation. This was an  important message, and an appropriate message from 
United Plant  Savers. 
Michael 
 
Michael  McGuffin 
President 
American Herbal Products Association  | _www.ahpa.org_ 
(http://www.ahpa.org/)  
8630  Fenton Street, Suite 918 | Silver Spring | MD |  20910 
MD  Phone: _301.588.1171_ (tel:301.588.1171)  x201 
CA  Phone: _310.745.8401_ (tel:310.745.8401)  
30+ years of working for you!   

 
 
From:  MPWG [mailto:_mpwg-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org_ 
(mailto:mpwg-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org) ] On Behalf Of Colin  Donohue
Sent:  Thursday, September 05, 2013 3:02 PM
To: Susan Leopold
Cc: mpwg
Subject: Re: [MPWG] ginseng in  the news

 
This is great,  other than being wrong. 

I'm amused to see Robert Eidus as the  spokesperson for the survivability 
of Ginseng. It will be gone in  10-20 years?   That's idiotic.  

I'm sure Mr.  Eidus didn't mean what he was cast as saying on the clip, but 
it's  still incorrect information. 


I'm very disappointed to see  UPS trumpeting this incorrect and 
sensationalized clip. 

Yes,  there are issues with ginseng harvest, and I'd be the first to shout  
from the mountaintop that poaching is a real issue that needs  attention, 
and that more resources should go into plant conservation.  But putting 
incorrect information out to spur public concern is  disingenuous. 

Colin

On 9/5/2013 5:15 PM, Susan Leopold  wrote:

 
United Plant  Savers has started a _change.org_ (http://change.org/)  
letter to  bring awareness to our members and the public and to show various  
agencies that the public cares and supports ginseng conservation  efforts....
 

 
Below is a link  to the CBS story and to our _change.org_ 
(http://change.org/)  letter, also  you can go to the UpS website _www.unitedplantsavers.org_ 
(http://www.unitedplantsavers.org/)  for links to several  recent news 
articles and ginseng recently published  research.
 

 
Please join  this campaign: http://chn.ge/15Eon5H
 

 

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57601454/ginseng-poaching-threatens-s
urvival-of-plant-species/   
 
 
 
 
 
Susan  Leopold, PhD
 
Executive  Director, UpS
 
_703-667-0208_ (tel:703-667-0208) 
 
_susan at unitedplantsavers.org_ (mailto:susan at unitedplantsavers.org) 
 










 
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