[MPWG] herbal remedies associated with heart drugs

Wed Feb 3 06:18:32 CST 2010

Thank you Penny, Yes, I totally agree. Absolutely. There is definitely the
deal going on with keeping the corporation in power so it can grow, at any
cost. Big Pharma, AMA, the likes of investment Corporations, ... even
cobwebed brained doctors and brainwashed nurses.

Honestly though, I don't think it is only about the above power over issues.

As someone that has worked in the western medical model, my hands were tied
due to laws,
institutional protocols and looming liability.

I know many doctors and nurses that want to learn and are learning about
herbs, and, with their herbal practitioners as their teachers. Such as my
teacher Kate Gilday, in the first and second year programs I attended, there
were at least 3 nurses amongst the 12 of us. David Winston of Herbalist and
Alchemist always has nurse and doctor graduates. Every year at the Womans
Herbal Conference and every other year at the International Herb Symposium
we (my sister-colleague Bonnie Kavanagh and I) have more and more nurse
attendees that come to our Herbal Nurses Forum to discuss and collaborate
how we integrate herbs and natural therapies into our practice. This is a
challenge ...

If one looks on line under Nurse Practice Act or the medical practice laws
(each state has their own), nursing and medical professionals are limited as
to what they can and can't do in the realm of herbs and natural therapies.
Some states are more
limiting than others.

My support goes out to anyone who is trying to integrate herbs in the
institutions.
I know its happening. I remember being there trying to do it myself.
The people want it.
The nurses want it.
The physical therapists, respiratory therapists, etc want it.
So do a fair number of doctors too.

Thanks for the story. I love it.
Didn't realize that about persimmon leaf. Thank you.

Blessings,

Marguerite

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Pinenut.com <penny at pinenut.com> wrote:

>  Marguerite-
>   a short story.
>
> We started selling persimmon leaf tea after reading research from overseas
> about persimmon's health benefits. People were taking Nexium for acid
> reflux- a primary condition that persimmon leaf was reported to treat.  The
> people are telling us that the persimmon leaf works better than the pill. I
> cannot keep enough of it in stock - because the demand is solid.
>
> It is no wonder there pharma wants people to be afraid of natural
> treatments.
>
> Penny Frazier
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* marguerite uhlmann-bower <3moonsisters at gmail.com>
> *To:* Andrea Schwarzbach <Andrea.Schwarzbach at utb.edu>
> *Cc:* mpwg at lists.plantconservation.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [MPWG] herbal remedies associated with heart drugs
>
> Hello all,
> I understand the importance of educating and informing the public and our
> clients (I'm a practicing herbalist and nurse) about the mixing of herbs and
> drugs.
> And true, St Johnswort is an herb we need to be cautious about if we choose
> to combine with medicine. In and of itself SJW is generally safe. But mix it
> with other medications (there's at least a dozen or more it changes and
> maybe even some herbs too) it will cause changes to the medications and or
> the person.
>
> Yet this doesn't make it an unsafe herb.
>
> And its a fact that the practice of cardiology is a highly refined medicine
> which surpasses possibly what most herbs
> can do, in the short term anyway.
>
> However we can't agree with the way the western medical practitioners are
> going about researching herbs and educating the public about herbs. They're
> instilling fear and pointing out that its the herbs that are the causative
> problem. Making blanket statements and testing isolated compounds rather
> than the whole herb.
>
> Is there a remedy for this type of behavior?  :-)
>
> Yep.
>
> Educate not only the general public and our clients but these medical
> people too.
> Publishing our points in local papers, medical journals, and the like.
>
> Easier said then done. But not impossible.
>
> Blessings
>
> Marguerite
>
>
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>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Andrea Schwarzbach <
> Andrea.Schwarzbach at utb.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>> The CNN report mentioned below is summarizing  a recently published paper
>> [Tachjian A, Maria V, Jahangir A. Use of herbal products and potential
>> interactions in patients with cardiovascular diseases. J Amer Coll Cardiol.
>> 2010;55(6). [DOI:10.1016/j.jacc.2009.07.074] that has major flaws and is
>> obviously written by someone who is a specialist in cardiology but certainly
>> has no clue about botany or medicinal plants.
>>
>> You might be interested in a press release by the American Botanical
>> Council regarding the original paper pointing out some of the many mistakes.
>> http://cms.herbalgram.org/press/2010/Response_CardiologyArticle.html
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Dr. Andrea Schwarzbach
>> Associate Professor
>> University of Texas-Brownsville
>> Department of Biological Sciences
>> 80 Fort Brown
>> Brownsville, TX 78520
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/2/10 11:33 AM, "Emanuela Appetiti" <ceo at medicaltraditions.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  HI!
>>
>> Thought you might be interested in this article about some herbal remedies
>> affecting the activity of heart drugs, appeared today in CNN health:
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/01/moh.healthmag.remedies.avoid/
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Emanuela Appetiti
>>
>> <http://medicaltraditions.org/>
>>
>> ceo at medicaltraditions.org <mailto:info at medicaltraditions.org<info at medicaltraditions.org>>
>>
>>
>> +1 202 633 0967
>>
>> PO Box 7606
>> Washington, DC 20044-7606
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>>
>> www.medicaltraditions.org <http://medicaltraditions.org/>
>>
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