[APWG] [Aliens-L] Re: [MAIPC] FW: Invasive Notes: Invasive Bamboo Wars Heat Up

Tue Nov 13 08:26:08 CST 2012

I've made a mead wine from the berries and imbibed with no ill effects.  Charles Deam has this to say in Flora of Indiana (1940) -
"...I mention this fact because I believe in due time the fruit of this species will be of horticultural importance.  Although the berries have an objectionable bitter flavor, they are not poisonous as some people think.  The root, however, is poisonous.  All my life I have been tasting the berries to find one that lacked the characteristic flavor, but without success.  About 60 years ago I recall that a hotel keeper came to our woods to gather pokeberries and elderberries which he canned and used about half and half for making pies.  If the pokeberries alone are used, some vinegar should be added.  They make a very rich looking and palatable pastry.  I recall eating them in pies when I was a boy.  The dried berries macerated with whiskey were formerly used for rheumatism."

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From: APWG [mailto:apwg-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Bogantes Montero
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Subject: Re: [APWG] [Aliens-L] Re: [MAIPC] FW: Invasive Notes: Invasive Bamboo Wars Heat Up

Another use of the berries is as a natural dye for arts and handicrafts. Also the green berries of some of the Central American congeners were used as laundry soap because of the abundant saponines the unripe berries contain.

Thanks,

Jorge

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On Oct 31, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Kathi Mestayer <kwren at widomaker.com<mailto:kwren at widomaker.com>> wrote:
Not to advocate eating poke, but you can do it, per Stalking the Wild Asparagus, p. 74.   It's not worth the trouble; there are a dozen greens that taste better.  But if you follow the instrucctions, it won't kill you.  I lived.

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On Oct 31, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Tasker, Alan V - APHIS wrote:

I've heard of it being used as salad in the spring, but: see
http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/weedguide/singlerecord.asp?id=270

Toxicity: All parts of common pokeweed are toxic to humans, pets and livestock. Roots are the most poisonous, leaves and stems are intermediate in toxicity (toxicity increases with maturity), and berries are the least toxic. Since common pokeweed is not very palatable, most animals avoid eating it unless little else is available, or if it is in contaminated hay. Horses, sheep and cattle have been poisoned by eating fresh leaves or green fodder, and pigs have been poisoned by eating the roots. Children are most frequently poisoned by eating raw berries. Infants are especially sensitive and have died from eating only a few raw berries. Although boiled young shoots have been eaten as greens and berries cooked in pie, ingestion of any part of the plant cannot be recommended. Adults have been poisoned, sometimes fatally, by eating improperly prepared leaves and shoots, especially if part of the root is harvested with the shoot, and by mistaking the root for an edible tuber. Research with humans has also shown that common pokeweed can cause mutations (possibly leading to cancer) and birth defects. Since the juice of pokeweed can be absorbed through the skin, contact of plant parts with bare skin should be avoided.
Symptoms of poisoning from common pokeweed include a burning sensation in the mouth, salivation, gastrointestinal cramps, vomiting and bloody diarrhea. Most people and animals recover within 1 to 2 days if only small quantities are eaten. If large quantities are consumed, more severe symptoms can occur, such as anemia, altered heart rate and respiration, convulsions and death from respiratory failure. The primary toxic compounds are thought to be oxalic acid, saponins (phytolaccotoxin and phytolaccigenin) and an alkaloid (phytolaccin).

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From: maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org<mailto:maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org> [mailto:maipc-bounces at lists.maipc.org] On Behalf Of Maze, Dominic
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Subject: Re: [MAIPC] [APWG] FW: Invasive Notes: Invasive Bamboo Wars Heat Up

I enjoy reading about the restoration challenges from our colleagues on the East Coast; especially when the discussion involves your natives that, as in the case of pokeweed, are newly emerging invasives we are expending resources on to control here.  Observing the rapid spread of pokeweed in the Portland (Oregon) Metro region and its significant underground biomass, I have no doubt that it could be a strong competitor against whatever bamboo you're dealing with (Phyllostachys sp.?).

Also, when I began researching the threat to human health from pokeweed a couple years back, I could find only one documented instance of a fatality due to ingestion.  Does anyone from pokeweed's native range have any other information, anecdotal or otherwise, to support or refute the notion that pokeweed is a significant threat to human health?
Thanks in advance,

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Subject: Re: [APWG] FW: Invasive Notes: Invasive Bamboo Wars Heat Up

Our native pokeweed is a beautiful plant that can rival bamboo in size and stature on a good site. The spring greens were often cooked and eaten in Appalachia, but the mature foliage, berries and roots especially, are highly toxic. Kids will sometimes eat the attractive and juicy black berries or use them to make "ink" as I did as a child. Fortunately the berries are not highly toxic, but I wonder if planting something that is poisonous will send up some red flags?
As nasty as garlic mustard is, I would not want to see it replaced by poison ivy, native or not. Pokeweed is only poisonous if ingested.
Bob

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Subject: [APWG] FW: Invasive Notes: Invasive Bamboo Wars Heat Up

Subject: Bamboo Control with native pokeweed

Anacostia Watershed Society treated a bamboo patch at Magruder Woods in Hyattsville, Maryland, several years ago. Next year all the bamboo was still dead. However, the following year the patch was covered with new bamboo shoots. Last year and the year before I observed that the bamboo was gone. At the Fall conference of the Maryland Native Plant Society in Towson on September 29, 2012 I asked Jorge Bogantes with AWS how they did this. He told me that they successfully used native American Pokeweed. AWS found out that about 5% of the bamboo was not killed by the pokeweed and had to be cut down.

I suggest we experiment this year with controlling bamboo patches we have cut down this year with pokeweed. We can go out soon to the open space habitats where we are controlling bamboo and identify which ones have pokeweed? Then we can treat half of the patches but leave the other half alone and see if resurgent pokeweed outcompetes the bamboo. The bamboo may need one year foliar treatment for the pokeweed to work.

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From: Jorge Bogantes Montero [mailto:jmontero at anacostiaws.org]
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Hi Marc,

After I sprayed the bamboo we planted trees and then noticed a resurgence of pokeweed which I know is weedy. So I just left it alone and it actually inhibited the bamboo from massively regrowing. I know I just have to control (with machetes) of the shoots that have made it to grow tall.

In some cases nature can help you if you know how to play with it. Especially the aggresive native plants ;)

Thanks,

Jorge

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On Oct 5, 2012, at 6:22 AM, Marc Imlay <ialm at erols.com<mailto:ialm at erols.com>> wrote:

I can come late in October for the bamboo. Anacostia Watershed Society spread out the native poke weed over bamboo that had come back after being treated a year or two before at Magruder Woods. It outcompeted most of the shoots. We may want to try this as an experiment in the Spring for any that survive the spraying. Jorge, would you like to describe and share this poke weed project?

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