[APWG] Licensed techologies for weed management/restore arid WestUSA

[Wayne Tyson]

Craig/APWG:

If you're going to make a claim, you will have to provide evidence if you 
expect credibility. I've heard all this before, but frankly, the more 
extreme the claims the more I want to see confirmation. None of my projects 
have ever been "secret," and I have never tried to "license" any of the 
technology I've developed, starting about 1968 (not counting 15 years of 
R&D, getting it wrong in about as many ways as I could).

Anybody's free to keep secrets, but when people want proof of performance, 
keeping them away from successful projects is not likely to invest them with 
confidence. Generalities are not proof; specifics are needed. Data, if you 
will.

I have no doubt that you've learned a lot in the forty years or more you've 
practiced, and many's the time you've shown that you are quite 
knowledgeable. I've tried before to add my independent testimony to your 
claims, and have offered, at my expense, to have a look at your projects, 
but as this is at least the third time I've tried, I'm giving up. I don't 
doubt that your claims are true, but I don't understand your unwillingness 
to have your work reviewed. Over and out.

WT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Dremann - Redwood City Seed Company" <Craig at astreet.com>
To: <apwg at lists.plantconservation.org>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 1:41 PM
Subject: [APWG] Licensed techologies for weed management/restore arid 
WestUSA


> Dear Wayne and All,
>
> Thank you for your email.  The Great Basin project is one of our trade
> secret locations, where our clients have used our ecological restoration
> technologies, in that case, to replant 600 acres within a cheatgrass
> infested area.
>
> There have been hundreds of native plant and weed eradication projects in
> the arid West, since I started in business 40 years ago.  However, when
> you go back to look at them five year later, in most cases, either another
> weed has taken the place of the original weed that you were trying to
> eradicate, or in the case of a native upland planting, it failed to ever
> achieve 100% native cover.
>
> Any weed management, especially here in our 99.99% weed-infested
> California, should have as its goal, 100% native cover as the final
> chapter to the exercise.
>
> In order to do that, you have to invent new methods of weed management and
> native plant planting, that has support for those technologies, as
> performance standards, where you can consistently achieve 100% native
> cover within a particular given period of time.
>
> And the concept of adaptive management is never, ever a part of those
> technologies.   Instead, you spend a lot of time on small scale test
> plots, and get them to be successful first, before you even start the big
> project.
>
> That is what is shown for the Great Basin/cheatgrass 600 acres, the small
> scale test plots, and then the successful big project to-the-horizon at
> http://www.ecoseeds.com/greatbasin.html
>
> The successful technologies must be invented first, and since they require
> a lot of time and effort and inventing that must be done, therefore have
> an economic value separate from the project itself.
>
> That is why we offer our ecological restoration technologies as trade
> secrets to our clients under a licensing agreement, only to be used for
> particular projects, similar to the agreement that you agree to, when you
> load a new computer program into your computer.
>
> Efficient weed management and uplands restoration technologies in
> California must have a significant value in themselves, so we can do each
> large areas like 100+ acres, quickly, efficiently and at a low cost.
>
> Sincerely, Craig Dremann (650) 325-7333
>
>
>
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