<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>It depends on what one's definition of "native plant" is, as to whether the NAS Native Plants Database is accurate, useful, appropriate to use for one's purposes.<br><br></div>Organizations like the California Native Plant Society tend to limit the notion of "native plant" to mean "locally native" when discussing restorations, servicing (local) native animal species, etc. --"local"* meaning generally in the area where that particular species* of plant has evolved, adapted to the immediate surrounding conditions* and co-inhabiting organisms.<br><br></div>In that sense of "local", the NAS database does not serve one's ZIP Code very well at all.<br><br></div><div>* Yeah, "local", "species", "immediate surrounding conditions", are all soft, hardly objective terms. But, the general idea is that the sense of distance (remoteness, proximity), isolation, evolutionary selection in context, etc. enter into the equation of what makes a species "native".<br><br></div>Peter<br><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Russ Cohen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eatwild@rcn.com" target="_blank">eatwild@rcn.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div class="m_-5617315601326489290WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033">I just found out about a new resource, set up and maintained by the National Audubon Society. It’s a <b>Native Plants Database</b> at <a href="http://www.audubon.org/native-plants" target="_blank">http://www.audubon.org/native-<wbr>plants</a>, and anyone can just type in a zip code to get an illustrated list of bird-friendly plants that are native to that zip code. Ostensibly, many of the plants that pop up on the list (i.e., the flowering plants) would have value for pollinators too. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033">When I did this for my zip code (02476), I got a list of 93 species. I was happy to see many of my favorite edible native species on that list.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033">Anyone familiar with this tool, and, if so, what do you think of it? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033">-- <a href="http://users.rcn.com/eatwild/bio.htm" target="_blank">Russ Cohen</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#006600"><img id="m_-5617315601326489290_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image003.png@01D24A3B.91956A60" alt="cid:image003.png@01D14865.D00DD800" width="420" height="303" border="0"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#990033"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#990033"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> native-plants [mailto:<a href="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">native-plants-bounces@<wbr>lists.plantconservation.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcum, Paul Brent<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">native-plants@lists.<wbr>plantconservation.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [PCA] FW: NEWS: NatiVeg Plant Selection Tool<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I agree, Johnny. This could be such a great resource but they just do not get it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I tested NatiVeg on an area in east-central Illinois. All cultivars, many from well outside of our area. Sure these nativars are interesting because they have atypical colors or flower forms but they do not belong in our restorations.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Paul Marcum<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Paul B. Marcum<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Assistant Project Leader for Botany<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Wetland Science Program<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><img id="m_-5617315601326489290_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image004.png@01D24A3B.91956A60" alt="Description: cid:image001.png@01CD399A.52C37360" width="164" height="38" border="0"><i><u></u><u></u></i></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">1816 S. Oak Street<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Champaign, Illinois 61820<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu/" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext">http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu/</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Office: <a href="tel:217-333-8459" value="+12173338459" target="_blank">217-333-8459</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Email: <a href="mailto:marcum@illinois.edu" target="_blank">marcum@illinois.edu</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> native-plants [<a href="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">mailto:native-plants-bounces@<wbr>lists.plantconservation.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall, John L<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:05 AM<br><b>To:</b> Haidet, Margaret (Megan) <<a href="mailto:mahaidet@blm.gov" target="_blank">mahaidet@blm.gov</a>>; <a href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">native-plants@lists.<wbr>plantconservation.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PCA] NEWS: NatiVeg Plant Selection Tool<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Interesting – I tested the NatiVeg link for a forb in my Piedmont NC area and it gave me a Helianthus species CULTIVAR introduced from the Western US. I am not impressed. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Johnny Randall<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">Johnny Randall, Ph.D.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">Director of Conservation Programs<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">North Carolina Botanical Garden<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">CB 3375<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">UNC-Chapel Hill<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">Chapel Hill NC 27599<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">Office – <a href="tel:919-962-2380" value="+19199622380" target="_blank">919-962-2380</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">Cell – <a href="tel:919-923-0100" value="+19199230100" target="_blank">919-923-0100</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ncbg.unc.edu_&d=DQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=3tLWYezw2zDniF8rKNlm-9lMokj5SDP4jXYqzekV924&m=Vvh8NrIx3knlX-NhvzZ39bUvYjZOStjFoJtjYXvY6BA&s=zQwf4Af0cOYjmGu37nGFQ-oUrXW4INf3h8QPC-q8r80&e=" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1f4e79">www.ncbg.unc.edu</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><img id="m_-5617315601326489290Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image005.jpg@01D24A3B.91956A60" alt="ncbg_logoEMAIL" width="161" height="76" border="0"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-5617315601326489290__MailEndCompose"></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> native-plants [<a href="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">mailto:native-plants-bounces@<wbr>lists.plantconservation.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Haidet, Margaret (Megan)<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 28, 2016 4:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">native-plants@lists.<wbr>plantconservation.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [PCA] NEWS: NatiVeg Plant Selection Tool<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><h1 style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:16.2pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3b3b3b;background:white;font-weight:normal">National Bobwhite Conservation Initiative Releases Online Tool to Aid Native Plant Selection</span><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#3b3b3b;font-weight:normal"><u></u><u></u></span></h1></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black;background:#fcfcfc">NatiVeg (</span><span style="color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.quailcount.org_NatiVeg&d=DQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=3tLWYezw2zDniF8rKNlm-9lMokj5SDP4jXYqzekV924&m=Vvh8NrIx3knlX-NhvzZ39bUvYjZOStjFoJtjYXvY6BA&s=3DfkSS_8SKaMWFhEOEd6F1SeNZiZ1KDunib0aPzV12U&e=" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;background:#fcfcfc;text-decoration:none">www.quailcount.org/NatiVeg</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black;background:#fcfcfc">) is a remote, Internet-based tool that works on desktops, laptops, tablets and mobile phones. Developed by NBCI and University of Tennessee Institute of Agriculture Information Technology Service and beta-tested by a variety of outside reviewers, NatiVeg is a database that, within the 25-state initiative’s range (mid-west and southeast), delivers the proper native plant choices for a specific location and the user’s specific purposes, whether wildlife, forage, biomass, pollinators, critical area planting, restoration or soil conservation.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Megan Haidet<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Seeds of Success<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">National Collection Curator<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:202-912-7233" value="+12029127233" target="_blank">202-912-7233</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>PLANTS ARE NATURE</i></b><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.blm.gov_programs_natural-2Dresources_native-2Dplant-2Dcommunities_native-2Dplant-2Dand-2Dseed-2Dmaterial-2Ddevelopment_collection&d=DQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=3tLWYezw2zDniF8rKNlm-9lMokj5SDP4jXYqzekV924&m=Vvh8NrIx3knlX-NhvzZ39bUvYjZOStjFoJtjYXvY6BA&s=1SSWz7prPocIc_j4zz69ogtaGtZ9zcFhk3ZVMTErvwU&e=" target="_blank">https://www.blm.gov/programs/<wbr>natural-resources/native-<wbr>plant-communities/native-<wbr>plant-and-seed-material-<wbr>development/collection</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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