<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:24px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_89567" dir="ltr">It is only natural that any excuse to plant yet another non native, invasive plant meet grief here. Here being a native plant list. I would unsubscribe if it didn't. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_13733"><br><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_15472" dir="ltr"><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_15471">Not the first time a butterfly enthusiast has tried to get native plant people</span><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_15471"> to plant invasives. <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_18244" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_31136" dir="ltr">As a whole, <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_32126" dir="ltr">native plant groups have got to be the hardest group for a <span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_15471">butterfly enthusiast to give a talk to about attracting butterflies. Unless they are a native plant </span><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_15471">enthusiast also. <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_38863" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_38864" dir="ltr">Unlike trying to convince other groups to plant for attracting and feeding butterflies. Native plant people will even plant ugly, thorny plants, just to attract one type of butterfly. Or let insignificant flowering native milkweeds thrive, just to host <span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_15471">Monarch babies. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_66393" dir="ltr"><br><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_15471"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_66392" dir="ltr">If our natives only feed half as many butterflies as the invasives do? What a beautiful excuse to plant twice as many natives. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_49513" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_67272" dir="ltr"><span style="" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_15471">I think as native plant people, we respect better than most, that Monarchs are just the poster child for a much wider butterfly problem. Which we address by planting
flowering natives that feed a wide range of butterflies and other
beneficial insects. All without endangering any other creature's
habitat.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_67643" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_49768" dir="ltr">We are a extremely easy sell to get us to plant for Monarchs.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_67014" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_50024" dir="ltr">Just not at the expense to any of the rest of nature by planting any non native invasive. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_13732"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_51370"> </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_54240"><br></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1423962143535_13975" class="signature">John Bridges<br><br>Bridges Heritage Growers <br>Keller, Texas<br>In the woods & soils of the Cross Timbers<br>2012 USDA zone 8a <br>AHS Heat Zone 9<br>Sunset zone 33<br>Dallas, Fort Worth area</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 24px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, February 14, 2015 12:00 PM, "native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org" <native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">Send native-plants mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://lists.plantconservation.org/mailman/listinfo/native-plants_lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">http://lists.plantconservation.org/mailman/listinfo/native-plants_lists.plantconservation.org</a><br><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants-owner@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants-owner@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants-owner@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of native-plants digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies<br> have vanished (Smith, Catherine)<br> 2. Annual Utah rare plant meeting: Mar 10, 2015 in Salt Lake<br> City (Addsum-Tony Frates)<br> 3. Re: NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies<br> have vanished (Geyer, Dorothy)<br> 4. Re: NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies<br> have vanished (Smith, Catherine)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:10:40 +0000<br>From: "Smith, Catherine" <<a ymailto="mailto:SMITHCATH@ecu.edu" href="mailto:SMITHCATH@ecu.edu">SMITHCATH@ecu.edu</a>><br>To: Steve Erickson <<a ymailto="mailto:wean@whidbey.net" href="mailto:wean@whidbey.net">wean@whidbey.net</a>>,<br> "<a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a>"<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion<br> butterflies have vanished<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:2CBD5DC4B3A0954DAE3D153BE4926A58841A12BF@Larry.intra.ecu.edu" href="mailto:2CBD5DC4B3A0954DAE3D153BE4926A58841A12BF@Larry.intra.ecu.edu">2CBD5DC4B3A0954DAE3D153BE4926A58841A12BF@Larry.intra.ecu.edu</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"<br><br>"This person"? "Peddling"? "Lack of consciousness (or knowledge)"? A little arrogant and disrespectful, maybe?<br><br>Arguments can be made, pro and con, as to whether the Endangered Species List is a good way to protect the monarch. This list might be a place to discuss policy, if uncommon or unpopular opinions are not personalized as was done here.<br><br>Activists for the monarch come in many forms--ordinary citizen, knowledgeable volunteer, agency professional, etc. Action also takes many forms--creating habitats, raising and releasing butterflies, educating, seeking legal remedies, etc. Open minds and varied methods are what we need.<br><br>Catherine F. Smith<br>Spring Mills, PA<br>________________________________________<br>From: native-plants [<a ymailto="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</a>] on behalf of Steve Erickson [<a ymailto="mailto:wean@whidbey.net" href="mailto:wean@whidbey.net">wean@whidbey.net</a>]<br>Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:02 PM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished<br><br>I notice that this person is peddling Buddliea davidii. While<br>she does include a disclaimer about there being states she<br>can?t ship to, she does not disclose why (the seriously<br>invasive nature of this species). This lack of consciousness (or<br>knowledge?) immediately makes me seriously question her<br>arguments for why listing per the ESA would be bad for Monarchs.<br>Note that she ignores that if listed, impacts to Monarchs would<br>have to be addressed in the pesticide registration and renewal<br>process. And a lawsuit requiring the same for approval of<br>pesticide manufacturing GMOs would likely be successful. So, if<br>the widespread planting of these GMOs is negatively impacting<br>Monarchs, this will provide a legal mechanism to address that.<br><br>-Steve<br><br>=========================================<br><br>On 2/11/15 at 1:37 PM, <a ymailto="mailto:SMITHCATH@ecu.edu" href="mailto:SMITHCATH@ecu.edu">SMITHCATH@ecu.edu</a> (Smith, Catherine) wrote:<br><br>>Adding to the conversation. . . .<br>><br>>For another perspective, read Rose Franklin's "Plausible<br>>Negative Consequences of Protecting the Monarch Under the<br>>Endangered Specieis Act" at www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm<br>><br>>For a perspective on planting milkweed, read "Which Milkweed to<br>>Plant for the Monarchs?" also at www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm<br>>Franklin is author of Fast Track Butterfly Gardening. She<br>>gardens for butterflies including monarchs in central Pennsylvania.<br>><br>>Catherine F. Smith<br>>Spring Mills PA<br>><br>><br>>________________________________________<br>>From: native-plants<br>>[<a ymailto="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</a>] on behalf<br>>of Kwong, Olivia [<a ymailto="mailto:okwong@blm.gov" href="mailto:okwong@blm.gov">okwong@blm.gov</a>]<br>>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39 AM<br>>To: <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br>>Subject: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion<br>>butterflies have vanished<br>><br>><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/09/the-" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/09/the-</a><br>>monarch-massacre-nearly-a-billion-butterflies-have-vanished/<br>><br>>The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished<br>>By Darryl Fears<br>>February 9 at 4:47 PM<br>>The Washington Post<br>><br>>Threatened animals like elephants, porpoises and lions grab all<br>>the headlines, but what?s happening to monarch butterflies is<br>>nothing short of a massacre. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service<br>>summed it up in just one grim statistic on Monday: Since 1990,<br>>about 970 million have vanished.<br>><br>>See the link above for the full article text.<br>><br>>_______________________________________________<br>>native-plants mailing list<br>><a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br>>http://lists.plantconservation.org/mailman/listinfo/native-plants_lists.<br>>plantconservation.org<br>><br>>Disclaimer<br>>Posts on this list reflect only the opinion of the individual<br>>who is posting the message; they are not official opinions or<br>>positions of the Plant Conservation Alliance.<br>><br>>To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to<br>><a ymailto="mailto:native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org</a> with the word<br>>"unsubscribe" in the subject line.<br>------------------------------------------<br>Whidbey Environmental Action Network<br>Preservation Education Restoration<br>Box 53, Langley, WA 98260<br>(360) 579-4202<br><a ymailto="mailto:wean@whidbey.net" href="mailto:wean@whidbey.net">wean@whidbey.net</a><br>www.whidbeyenvironment.org<br>==========================================<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>native-plants mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.plantconservation.org/mailman/listinfo/native-plants_lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">http://lists.plantconservation.org/mailman/listinfo/native-plants_lists.plantconservation.org</a><br><br>Disclaimer<br>Posts on this list reflect only the opinion of the individual who is posting the message; they are not official opinions or positions of the Plant Conservation Alliance.<br><br>To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants-request@lists.plantconservation.org</a> with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:58:17 -0700<br>From: Addsum-Tony Frates <<a ymailto="mailto:afrates@addsuminc.com" href="mailto:afrates@addsuminc.com">afrates@addsuminc.com</a>><br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br>Subject: [PCA] Annual Utah rare plant meeting: Mar 10, 2015 in Salt<br> Lake City<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:20150213105817.ata8q7pz7ks80o84@webmail-backup.xmission.com" href="mailto:20150213105817.ata8q7pz7ks80o84@webmail-backup.xmission.com">20150213105817.ata8q7pz7ks80o84@webmail-backup.xmission.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";<br> format="flowed"<br><br><br>What: Annual Utah Rare Plant Meeting<br>Hosts: Red Butte Garden, Garrett Herbarium, and Utah Native Plant Society<br>When: Tuesday, March 10th 2015<br>Where: Natural History Museum of Utah, Swaner Forum (5th Floor), 301 <br>Wakara Way, Salt Lake City, Utah (University of Utah campus)<br>Cost: $15<br><br><br>Posters and presentations are still being accepted.<br><br>Entrance fees for presenters will be waived this year.<br><br><br>Registration: <a href="http://www.redbuttegarden.org/rare-plant-meeting" target="_blank">http://www.redbuttegarden.org/rare-plant-meeting</a><br><br>By phone: please contact Amie Cox at (801)581-8454 (presenters see below)<br><br><br>Contacts: Jason Alexander (801) 863-6806 <a ymailto="mailto:alexanja@uvu.edu" href="mailto:alexanja@uvu.edu">alexanja@uvu.edu</a>,<br> Elizabeth Johnson (801) 587-5745 <a ymailto="mailto:johnson@nhmu.utah.edu" href="mailto:johnson@nhmu.utah.edu">johnson@nhmu.utah.edu</a><br> Catherine Cort (801) 585-5853 <a ymailto="mailto:catherine.cort@redbutte.utah.edu" href="mailto:catherine.cort@redbutte.utah.edu">catherine.cort@redbutte.utah.edu</a><br><br><br>Additional link:<br><br><a href="http://www.unps.org/PAGES/calendar.html" target="_blank">http://www.unps.org/PAGES/calendar.html</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:18:40 -0500<br>From: "Geyer, Dorothy" <<a ymailto="mailto:dorothy_geyer@nps.gov" href="mailto:dorothy_geyer@nps.gov">dorothy_geyer@nps.gov</a>><br>To: Steve Erickson <<a ymailto="mailto:wean@whidbey.net" href="mailto:wean@whidbey.net">wean@whidbey.net</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion<br> butterflies have vanished<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAMegr3DX8ToBgKe1PxPF1g9UzSDgg2Xor+<a ymailto="mailto:a08NPxnm0MPh-5GA@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:a08NPxnm0MPh-5GA@mail.gmail.com">a08NPxnm0MPh-5GA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>She also has very little host and nectar plants that are native, which<br>according to Doug Tallamy is critical to the health of all butterflies.<br>Its nice to see that she is selling common milkweed though.<br><br>On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Steve Erickson <<a ymailto="mailto:wean@whidbey.net" href="mailto:wean@whidbey.net">wean@whidbey.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> I notice that this person is peddling Buddliea davidii. While she does<br>> include a disclaimer about there being states she can?t ship to, she does<br>> not disclose why (the seriously invasive nature of this species). This lack<br>> of consciousness (or knowledge?) immediately makes me seriously question<br>> her arguments for why listing per the ESA would be bad for Monarchs. Note<br>> that she ignores that if listed, impacts to Monarchs would have to be<br>> addressed in the pesticide registration and renewal process. And a lawsuit<br>> requiring the same for approval of pesticide manufacturing GMOs would<br>> likely be successful. So, if the widespread planting of these GMOs is<br>> negatively impacting Monarchs, this will provide a legal mechanism to<br>> address that.<br>><br>> -Steve<br>><br>> =========================================<br>><br>><br>> On 2/11/15 at 1:37 PM, <a ymailto="mailto:SMITHCATH@ecu.edu" href="mailto:SMITHCATH@ecu.edu">SMITHCATH@ecu.edu</a> (Smith, Catherine) wrote:<br>><br>> Adding to the conversation. . . .<br>>><br>>> For another perspective, read Rose Franklin's "Plausible Negative<br>>> Consequences of Protecting the Monarch Under the Endangered Specieis Act"<br>>> at www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm<br>>><br>>> For a perspective on planting milkweed, read "Which Milkweed to Plant for<br>>> the Monarchs?" also at www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm<br>>> Franklin is author of Fast Track Butterfly Gardening. She gardens for<br>>> butterflies including monarchs in central Pennsylvania.<br>>><br>>> Catherine F. Smith<br>>> Spring Mills PA<br>>><br>>><br>>> ________________________________________<br>>> From: native-plants [<a ymailto="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</a>]<br>>> on behalf of Kwong, Olivia [<a ymailto="mailto:okwong@blm.gov" href="mailto:okwong@blm.gov">okwong@blm.gov</a>]<br>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39 AM<br>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br>>> Subject: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies<br>>> have vanished<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/09/the-" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/09/the-</a><br>>> monarch-massacre-nearly-a-billion-butterflies-have-vanished/<br>>><br>>> The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished<br>>> By Darryl Fears<br>>> February 9 at 4:47 PM<br>>> The Washington Post<br>>><br>>> Threatened animals like elephants, porpoises and lions grab all the<br>>> headlines, but what?s happening to monarch butterflies is nothing short of<br>>> a massacre. 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We've had butterfly bushes on our property for 20 years and we've only had 10 to 12 volunteers pop up in all those years. Steve should be alerted to the fact that there are now buddleias on the market that are sterile (likely produced by plant breeders who knew there would be a request for them in the near future). He wrote 'while she does include a disclaimer about there being states she can't ship to, she does not disclose why (the seriously invasive nature of this species).' In reality, it is the Japanese beetle quarantine that restricts me from shipping to more states than I do. It is not illegal to ship buddleia to the states I don't ship them to...or, if it is illegal to ship buddleia to some states, no one from the USDA has told me."<br><br>Thanks to all for this informative conversation.<br><br>CS<br><br>________________________________________<br>From: native-plants [<a ymailto="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</a>] on behalf of Geyer, Dorothy [<a ymailto="mailto:dorothy_geyer@nps.gov" href="mailto:dorothy_geyer@nps.gov">dorothy_geyer@nps.gov</a>]<br>Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 3:18 PM<br>To: Steve Erickson<br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished<br><br>She also has very little host and nectar plants that are native, which according to Doug Tallamy is critical to the health of all butterflies. Its nice to see that she is selling common milkweed though.<br><br>On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Steve Erickson <<a ymailto="mailto:wean@whidbey.net" href="mailto:wean@whidbey.net">wean@whidbey.net</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:wean@whidbey.net" href="mailto:wean@whidbey.net">wean@whidbey.net</a>>> wrote:<br>I notice that this person is peddling Buddliea davidii. While she does include a disclaimer about there being states she can?t ship to, she does not disclose why (the seriously invasive nature of this species). This lack of consciousness (or knowledge?) immediately makes me seriously question her arguments for why listing per the ESA would be bad for Monarchs. Note that she ignores that if listed, impacts to Monarchs would have to be addressed in the pesticide registration and renewal process. And a lawsuit requiring the same for approval of pesticide manufacturing GMOs would likely be successful. So, if the widespread planting of these GMOs is negatively impacting Monarchs, this will provide a legal mechanism to address that.<br><br>-Steve<br><br>=========================================<br><br><br>On 2/11/15 at 1:37 PM, <a ymailto="mailto:SMITHCATH@ecu.edu" href="mailto:SMITHCATH@ecu.edu">SMITHCATH@ecu.edu</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:SMITHCATH@ecu.edu" href="mailto:SMITHCATH@ecu.edu">SMITHCATH@ecu.edu</a>> (Smith, Catherine) wrote:<br><br>Adding to the conversation. . . .<br><br>For another perspective, read Rose Franklin's "Plausible Negative Consequences of Protecting the Monarch Under the Endangered Specieis Act" at www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm<<a href="http://www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm" target="_blank">http://www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm</a>><br><br>For a perspective on planting milkweed, read "Which Milkweed to Plant for the Monarchs?" also at www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm<<a href="http://www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm" target="_blank">http://www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm</a>><br>Franklin is author of Fast Track Butterfly Gardening. She gardens for butterflies including monarchs in central Pennsylvania.<br><br>Catherine F. Smith<br>Spring Mills PA<br><br><br>________________________________________<br>From: native-plants [<a ymailto="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</a>>] on behalf of Kwong, Olivia [<a ymailto="mailto:okwong@blm.gov" href="mailto:okwong@blm.gov">okwong@blm.gov</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:okwong@blm.gov" href="mailto:okwong@blm.gov">okwong@blm.gov</a>>]<br>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:39 AM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a><mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org" href="mailto:native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org">native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org</a>><br>Subject: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished<br><br><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/09/the-" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/09/the-</a><br>monarch-massacre-nearly-a-billion-butterflies-have-vanished/<br><br>The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished<br>By Darryl Fears<br>February 9 at 4:47 PM<br>The Washington Post<br><br>Threatened animals like elephants, porpoises and lions grab all the headlines, but what?s happening to monarch butterflies is nothing short of a massacre. 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