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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yellow flag would solve one problem while
creating another. It is considered invasive in a number of states.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Careful with wetland terms….cattail
is not a bog plant, but a freshwater marsh plant. Bog plants tend to be
slow-growing and would not fit the waterway environment you have.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> maryann whitman
[mailto:maryannwhitman@comcast.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 09, 2004
9:26 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [PCA] native plants
for cities, stormwater management</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>What is the Center for Sustainable Resources? What is
your position there Fred?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle18><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>M. Whitman<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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At 09:09 PM 12/8/2004 Wednesday, Center for Sustainable Resources wrote:<br>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I have worked
with the process you speak of quite a bit at times. In fact I use natural vegetation
to biofilter our aquaculture sites. Probably the easiest and most dependable
plant you can use for this is the cattail. They are commonly used on mine sites
now because they are so good at binding many substances. Bog plants in general
are very good at this. as they burn up bicarbonates when the sun shines they
collect metals in their root systems. Yellow Flag( japanesenaturalized) or blue
flag native but not much different are also good. Some of the most problematic
plants as far as growing over the entire waterway are the native ones. Stay
away from anything viny. Lotus and lilly are good but need to be tamed now and
then. If you are dealing with a sewage treatment system bullfrog tadpoles are
good for controling bacteria but you need large numbers. Fred Hays<br>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: Louisa
Rogoff Thompson <louisathompson@erols.com><br>
To: NativePlantseast <native-plants@lists.plantconservation.org>,
WorthleyBotany <WorthleyBotany@yahoogroups.com><br>
Subject: [PCA] native plants for cities, stormwater management<br>
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 11:53:47 -0500<br>
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I'm looking for information about native plants adapted to various kinds of
stressful environments, particularly salt and heavy metals. It's my firm
belief that plants can take care of soil and water better than facilities made
of concrete and other man-made materials. And I prefer to use native
plants, because they are unlikely to turn out to be invasive, and because they
are more likely than exotics to form collaborative relationships with soil
organisms and above-ground wildlife.<br>
<br>
I'm currently working on a grad school project to design a landscape for a
vacant lot which will divert stormwater from the street into the lot to be
filtered and slowed down. Most vacant lots previously had buildings
on them, which means they now have fill dirt, and infiltration facilities are
not permitted on fill. So the water has to be returned to the storm drain
system, but some will evaporate and the rest will be returned slowly, reducing
the volume of fast-flowing water during the storm.<br>
<br>
The man at <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Baltimore</st1:place></st1:City>'s
Dept. of Public Works who issues permits for this kind of thing says a solution
would be very valuable, and could be used on many vacant lots throughout the
city. If I can get this to work, it could have a very significant impact.
Did you know that much of <st1:City w:st="on">Baltimore</st1:City>'s stormwater
is piped directly into the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Inner</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Harbor</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>? And it
carries cadmium, copper, chromium, lead, and other heavy metals, mostly from
tires, some from diesel exhaust, and some from old lead paint. And road
salt, in winter.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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If you have seen plants either survive or be harmed by road salt, air pollution
(e.g. from bus exhaust at a bus stop), or heavy metals (e.g., lead paint chips
in the soil), I'd like to know about it.<br>
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Also, if you know of published information please tell me. I have Dirr's
Manual of Woody Landscape Plants, which has this kind of information for many
trees and shrubs. Is there something comparable for herbaceous
plants? I also have Md. Dept. of Environment's Stormwater Design Manual,
which has a long list of plants, indicating tolerance to salt and
pollution. The only plant listed as tolerant to both is Eastern white
pine. Most likely this is a list of known tolerance, i.e., no check mark
means no knowledge, not no tolerance.<br>
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Your help will be much appreciated.<br>
<br>
Louisa Thompson<br>
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