[PCA] FW: NEWS: NatiVeg Plant Selection Tool [Community Deer Advisor Tool]
Tony Frates
afrates at addsuminc.com
Wed Nov 30 11:33:14 CST 2016
With reference to the deer advisor tool link . . . . it seems awfully
bow hunt happy.
Hunting and baiting is then the best we can do? Killing things is
what we tend to do the best.
Isn't the abundancy problem related just as much to an abundancy of
people (and yes also a lack of predators, coupled with a general and
irrational hatred for wolves and coyotes, etc.)?
I strongly support TNC and its efforts and will continue to do so; but
it in the past it has been very adverse to discussions relating to
human overpopulation which is as much the driving issue from
everything from "deer problems" to global warming (we should call it
what it is) as any other single factor. Yet, we don't talk about it.
(In fact it should be a separate factor in ESA listing/recovery/etc.
decisions: many species can't really recover as long as our own
populations remain completely out of control, and until they somehow
"recover" to reasonable levels; and bow hunting will probably not
ultimately resolve that problem either.)
Limiting our own growth should also be an essential part of the
discussion and must be a component of any long-term "community"
solution. And yes there will be those that push back just like on
every other topic, but we can't solve problems that we brush under the
rug.
So we have to first acknowledge, constantly and continuously, that
there is an abundancy of "us" and that, for example, there are far too
many motor vehicles and far too many very poorly designed roads with
seemingly no plan other than to keep adding more and more of both, and
hence more and more deer collisions.
Tony Frates
Quoting Lisa Feldkamp <lfeldkamp at tnc.org>:
> Paul,
>
> Regarding the deer damage problem, you and others on this list might
> be interested in a new Community Deer Advisor tool from the Nature
> Conservancy and Cornell.
>
> I work with the Nature Conservancy’s Cool Green Science blog and we
> have a post running about it today:
> http://blog.nature.org/science/2016/11/30/deer-advisor-help-community-grappling-abundant-deer-populations-management-advice/
>
> Or, if you prefer, a direct link to the tool:
> https://deeradvisor.dnr.cornell.edu/
>
> Cheers,
> Lisa
>
> “For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time: hatred ceases by
> love, this is an old rule.” – Dhammapada, Translator: F. Max Müller
>
> Lisa Feldkamp
> Science Communications
> The Nature Conservancy
> lfeldkamp at tnc.org
>
> From: native-plants
> <native-plants-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org> on behalf of
> "Fuhrmann, Paul" <PFuhrmann at ene.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 4:32 AM
> To: Diane Wilson <DWilson at applewoodseed.com>, "Marcum, Paul Brent"
> <marcum at illinois.edu>
> Cc: "native-plants at lists.plantconservation.org"
> <native-plants at lists.plantconservation.org>
> Subject: Re: [PCA] FW: NEWS: NatiVeg Plant Selection Tool
>
> Diane,
>
> Thanks for a good explanation. Reinforces that there is no “silver
> bullet” source for restoration plant selection although this one is
> a good one for anyone willing to cross reference resources for
> specific regions with others (old and new) to develop best possible
> plans.
>
> Beyond species selection, a bigger restoration issue is impacting
> native plant use in Northeast. White tail deer dictate species
> assemblages on restoration sites especially in urban watersheds.
> Project budgets are consumed with fencing to allow woody plants to
> grow above browse line and herbaceous species use is severely
> limited. Until meaningful control measures are initiated in areas of
> deer overpopulation, significant native community restoration will
> be a small component of habitat restoration. In urban settings,
> many sites in impacted areas will evolve into a highly modified,
> “novel” community within larger areas of unpalatable invasive plants.
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24AE3.68DDE590]<http://www.ene.com/>
>
> Paul Fuhrmann - Habitat Restoration Specialist
> 368 Pleasantview Drive
> Lancaster, New York 14086
> Phone: 716 684 8060 • Cell: 716 310 2885
> pfuhrmann at ene.com<mailto:pfuhrmann at ene.com> •
> www.ene.com<http://www.ene.com/>
>
>
>
> From: native-plants
> [mailto:native-plants-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org] On Behalf
> Of Diane Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 12:59 PM
> To: Marcum, Paul Brent; native-plants at lists.plantconservation.org
> Subject: Re: [PCA] FW: NEWS: NatiVeg Plant Selection Tool
>
> I thought I should clarify something about the “nativars” showing up
> on this website. From what I can tell, most of the areas I tested
> are bringing up releases from USDA plant material centers. These
> accessions are not chosen for flower color or form (ornamental
> qualities). Rather they are chosen for forage value, wildlife
> value, vigor, good seed set, source location, etc.
>
> If you look at the attached, you’ll see the USDA plant release
> information for Pitcher Sage ‘Nekan’. It’s basically a source
> identified release, and they give the specific regions where the
> seed can be planted. The seed source is from Marion County, KS and
> is recommended for eastern ½ of Kansas & Nebraska, western 2/3 of
> Missouri, southwestern Iowa, northeastern Oklahoma and northwestern
> Arkansas. It shouldn’t be coming up as recommended for central
> Illinois, but it does.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Diane Wilson
> Ecologist
> (303) 431-7333 – main
> (303) 467-7886 – fax
> dwilson at applewoodseed.com<mailto:dwilson at applewoodseed.com>
> www.applewoodseed.com<http://www.applewoodseed.com/>
> [id:image001.png at 01CE522F.78CBDD50]
>
>
>
> From: native-plants
> [mailto:native-plants-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org] On Behalf
> Of Marcum, Paul Brent
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:38 AM
> To:
> native-plants at lists.plantconservation.org<mailto:native-plants at lists.plantconservation.org>
> Subject: [PCA] FW: NEWS: NatiVeg Plant Selection Tool
>
> I agree, Johnny. This could be such a great resource but they just
> do not get it.
>
> I tested NatiVeg on an area in east-central Illinois. All
> cultivars, many from well outside of our area. Sure these nativars
> are interesting because they have atypical colors or flower forms
> but they do not belong in our restorations.
>
> Paul Marcum
>
>
> Paul B. Marcum
> Assistant Project Leader for Botany
> Wetland Science Program
>
> [escription: cid:image001.png at 01CD399A.52C37360]
> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> 1816 S. Oak Street
> Champaign, Illinois 61820
> http://www.inhs.uiuc.edu/
> Office: 217-333-8459
> Email: marcum at illinois.edu<mailto:marcum at illinois.edu>
>
> From: native-plants
> [mailto:native-plants-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org] On Behalf
> Of Randall, John L
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:05 AM
> To: Haidet, Margaret (Megan)
> <mahaidet at blm.gov<mailto:mahaidet at blm.gov>>;
> native-plants at lists.plantconservation.org<mailto:native-plants at lists.plantconservation.org>
> Subject: Re: [PCA] NEWS: NatiVeg Plant Selection Tool
>
> Interesting – I tested the NatiVeg link for a forb in my Piedmont NC
> area and it gave me a Helianthus species CULTIVAR introduced from
> the Western US. I am not impressed.
>
> Johnny Randall
>
> Johnny Randall, Ph.D.
> Director of Conservation Programs
> North Carolina Botanical Garden
> CB 3375
> UNC-Chapel Hill
> Chapel Hill NC 27599
> Office – 919-962-2380
> Cell – 919-923-0100
> www.ncbg.unc.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ncbg.unc.edu_&d=DQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=3tLWYezw2zDniF8rKNlm-9lMokj5SDP4jXYqzekV924&m=Vvh8NrIx3knlX-NhvzZ39bUvYjZOStjFoJtjYXvY6BA&s=zQwf4Af0cOYjmGu37nGFQ-oUrXW4INf3h8QPC-q8r80&e=>
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>
>
> From: native-plants
> [mailto:native-plants-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org] On Behalf
> Of Haidet, Margaret (Megan)
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 4:17 PM
> To:
> native-plants at lists.plantconservation.org<mailto:native-plants at lists.plantconservation.org>
> Subject: [PCA] NEWS: NatiVeg Plant Selection Tool
>
> National Bobwhite Conservation Initiative Releases Online Tool to
> Aid Native Plant Selection
>
> NatiVeg
> (www.quailcount.org/NatiVeg<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.quailcount.org_NatiVeg&d=DQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=3tLWYezw2zDniF8rKNlm-9lMokj5SDP4jXYqzekV924&m=Vvh8NrIx3knlX-NhvzZ39bUvYjZOStjFoJtjYXvY6BA&s=3DfkSS_8SKaMWFhEOEd6F1SeNZiZ1KDunib0aPzV12U&e=>) is a remote, Internet-based tool that works on desktops, laptops, tablets and mobile phones. Developed by NBCI and University of Tennessee Institute of Agriculture Information Technology Service and beta-tested by a variety of outside reviewers, NatiVeg is a database that, within the 25-state initiative’s range (mid-west and southeast), delivers the proper native plant choices for a specific location and the user’s specific purposes, whether wildlife, forage, biomass, pollinators, critical area planting, restoration or soil
> conservation.
>
> Megan Haidet
> Seeds of Success
> National Collection Curator
> 202-912-7233
>
> PLANTS ARE NATURE
> https://www.blm.gov/programs/natural-resources/native-plant-communities/native-plant-and-seed-material-development/collection<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.blm.gov_programs_natural-2Dresources_native-2Dplant-2Dcommunities_native-2Dplant-2Dand-2Dseed-2Dmaterial-2Ddevelopment_collection&d=DQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=3tLWYezw2zDniF8rKNlm-9lMokj5SDP4jXYqzekV924&m=Vvh8NrIx3knlX-NhvzZ39bUvYjZOStjFoJtjYXvY6BA&s=1SSWz7prPocIc_j4zz69ogtaGtZ9zcFhk3ZVMTErvwU&e=>
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