[PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished

Wed Feb 18 10:36:19 CST 2015

I'll make a bold statement, but one I think will turn out to be true. Unless the pollen or ovule regulating portions of the plants' genomes have been destroyed completely and permanently by radiation or chemical treatment, there is no such thing as a sterile cultivar!

From: native-plants [mailto:native-plants-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org] On Behalf Of Katherine Schlosser
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Subject: Re: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished

Ms. Franklin may not see Buddleja volunteering in her yard, but she should check with her neighbors, or a nearby natural area.  That's where you will find them, spreading happily.   I yank them out of my yard all the time, and I've never planted a single one.  I do, however, have lots of birds stopping by :)

As for sterile cultivars....they said that about Bradford pears, too!

Ms. Franklin's heart is in the right place, now if we can just convince her to stick to natives (unless she is talking about one of the few rather uncommon southwestern Buddleja's)!  Maybe she would enjoy growing Clethra alnifolia or C. acuminata :)

Kathy

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From: native-plants [mailto:native-plants-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org] On Behalf Of Smith, Catherine
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Subject: Re: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished

Rose Franklin corrects Steve's assumptions (forwarded by Catherine Smith):

"In some areas of the US, buddleia is invasive but, like tropical milkweed, in other areas it isn't invasive at all. We've had butterfly bushes on our property for 20 years and we've only had 10 to 12 volunteers pop up in all those years.   Steve should be alerted to the fact that there are now buddleias on the market that are sterile (likely produced by plant breeders who knew there would be a request for them in the near future).  He wrote 'while she does include a disclaimer about there being states she can't ship to, she does not disclose why (the seriously invasive nature of this species).' In reality, it is the Japanese beetle quarantine that restricts me from shipping to more states than I do. It is not illegal to ship buddleia to the states I don't ship them to...or, if it is illegal to ship buddleia to some states, no one from the USDA has told me."

Thanks to all for this informative conversation.

CS

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Subject: Re: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished

She also has very little host and nectar plants that are native, which according to Doug Tallamy is critical to the health of all butterflies.  Its nice to see that she is selling common milkweed though.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Steve Erickson <wean at whidbey.net<mailto:wean at whidbey.net<mailto:wean at whidbey.net%3cmailto:wean at whidbey.net>>> wrote:

I notice that this person is peddling Buddliea davidii. While she does include a disclaimer about there being states she can't ship to, she does not disclose why (the seriously invasive nature of this species). This lack of consciousness (or knowledge?) immediately makes me seriously question her arguments for why listing per the ESA would be bad for Monarchs. Note that she ignores that if listed, impacts to Monarchs would have to be addressed in the pesticide registration and renewal process. And a lawsuit requiring the same for approval of pesticide manufacturing GMOs would likely be successful. So, if the widespread planting of these GMOs is negatively impacting Monarchs, this will provide a legal mechanism to address that.

-Steve

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On 2/11/15 at 1:37 PM, SMITHCATH at ecu.edu<mailto:SMITHCATH at ecu.edu<mailto:SMITHCATH at ecu.edu%3cmailto:SMITHCATH at ecu.edu>> (Smith, Catherine) wrote:

Adding to the conversation. . . .

For another perspective, read Rose Franklin's  "Plausible Negative Consequences of Protecting the Monarch Under the Endangered Specieis Act" at  www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm<http://www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm<http://www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm%3chttp:/www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm>>

For a perspective on planting milkweed, read "Which Milkweed to Plant for the Monarchs?" also at www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm<http://www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm<http://www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm%3chttp:/www.butterflybushes.com/press_room.htm>>

Franklin is author of Fast Track Butterfly Gardening.  She gardens for butterflies including monarchs in central Pennsylvania.

Catherine F. Smith

Spring Mills PA

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Subject: [PCA] NEWS: The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have    vanished

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/02/09/the-

monarch-massacre-nearly-a-billion-butterflies-have-vanished/

The monarch massacre: Nearly a billion butterflies have vanished By Darryl Fears February 9 at 4:47 PM The Washington Post

Threatened animals like elephants, porpoises and lions grab all the headlines, but what's happening to monarch butterflies is nothing short of a massacre. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service summed it up in just one grim statistic on Monday: Since 1990, about 970 million have vanished.

See the link above for the full article text.

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