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I wonder if Eric Jones is on this list, these days. These issues
of WHO is involved in NTFP harvest, what their motivations are, how
they operate, etc. is basically <br>
a call for social science research (anthropology probably as much as
anything else). <br>
<br>
I agree that it's important to understand the motivations etc. <br>
<br>
To some degree there are predictable "drivers", also. If we can
assume that money is some motivation, and the risk of getting caught
stealing or digging out of season was greater than the reward, we
could jigger the levers from an economic perspective. <br>
<br>
There are as many motivations and mindsets as there are people. We
can map out patterns, or drill deeper into perspectives/motivations
with ethnography and other social science tools. <br>
<br>
I don't think that discounts looking at the "coarse grain" elements
of the system such as financial motivation/ "cost/benefit" for folks
in the system. The diggers may have "nothing to lose" as
individuals. The buyers typically have more to lose. That may be an
element in this. <br>
<br>
No "solution" just reflections...<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/15/2014 2:09 PM, MoonBranch
Botanicals wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Ed, I didn’t get your reply until late
last night as I
was out re-engineering for the third or fourth night now a
support for a tarp
cover over an outside workspace. Looks like after today’s work
is done it will
be night five, which will be interesting considering the weather
forecast!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">At any rate, I had written a response that I
had saved as a
draft rather than sending because I wanted to review it with
renewed mental clarity
before I did so. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I am
glad that I did.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So, on to the task at hand. You know,
sometimes when working
on a project like that tarp outside I often use a set of tools
for the work. I
have all kinds of tools (some of which I couldn’t begin to find
even) and seem to
have a certain set that I regularly rely on. Those are kept
handily in a tool
box. I have used that same set over and over for so long that
occasionally come
up against a problem that I don’t seem to have the proper tool
to handle and
wind up thinking to myself “If I only had a tool for that!”.
Thing is, months
later I’ll be cleaning or searching for something else and
stumble upon that
very tool I had needed before but didn’t even realize that I had
because I had
never used it.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I use this tool example to illustrate what I
believe to be a
stumbling block at times for us humans. Oftentimes I see that we
use the same “tools”,
be they a process, a system, a methodology or even just a way of
thinking for
so long that we forget all the other “tools” at our disposal. We
truly must be “creatures
of habit”.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sometimes I find that in order to look at
things objectively
and clearly, one may have to step outside the boundaries of that
which they
believe to be “real”. In terms of solutions regarding the
ginseng poaching dilemma,
I suspect there are as many solutions as there are stars in the
night sky.
Trouble is, as with the tool example, we will never find them if
we don’t look.
And, we will never look if we do not believe that they are
there.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thinking back to my response to you from last
night that I
had saved as a draft and when I contrast it with the current
response I realize
that, in terms of their nature, I have gone from non-specific to
vague. There
is a reason.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">When analyzing the parameters of any project,
task at hand or
issue and assessing what “tools” are needed to do the job, it
may first be wise
to understand exactly what “went wrong” with or became broken in
that which
needs fixing. That said, I believe that a wise place to “start”
might be at the
beginning.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Keeping that in mind I find myself returning
to the question
of “why?”. Why do people poach ginseng? Are they just bad
people? Are they
common thieves? <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Are they
deranged
in-bred white trash rednecks hell bent on wiping out a species?
What? You tell
me…… Do you know? Does anybody know? If so I would love an
answer there. And, if
we find, as I suspect, that no one really knows, then don’t you
think it wise
that we find out? In the process, I also suspect that we’ll
discover about
ourselves if we <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">really
want to save a
species from peril or conversely, do we really just want to go
through a known,
comfortable and expected process.</i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"> </i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So with that I will end at a beginning. In
searching for a “why”
I would ask each of you to consider the following. I have heard
it said many
times that in order to love, one must first love oneself. With
that in mind is
it really logical to assume that one species which shows little
respect, love
or compassion for its own be expected to show the same for
another species?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Can someone please speak to this?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- Robin</p>
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<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px;
BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid">-----Original Message-----
<br>
From: Edward Fletcher <efletcher@strategicsourcinginc.net>
<br>
Sent: Jan 14, 2014 10:30 PM
<br>
To: 'MoonBranch Botanicals' <moonbranch@earthlink.net>, 'Roy
Upton' <herbal@got.net>
<br>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org">mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org</a>, 'Ikhlas Khan' <ikhan@olemiss.edu>,
'Stefan Gafner' <stefan@herbalgram.org>, 'Mark
Blumenthal' <mark@herbalgram.org>
<br>
Subject: RE: [MPWG] ginseng poaching program
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<div><strong><em><font color="#008200" face="MS
Mincho" size="4">Robin,</font></em></strong></div>
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<div><strong><em><font color="#008200" face="MS
Mincho" size="4">Glad you decided to
chime in. </font></em></strong></div>
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<div><strong><em><font color="#008200" face="MS
Mincho" size="4">Points well taken and
realized/considered.</font></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em></em></strong> </div>
<div><strong><em><font color="#008200" face="MS
Mincho" size="4">Now what are your
solutions?</font></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><font color="#008200" face="MS
Mincho" size="4"><br>
Genuinely,<br>
Edward J. Fletcher <br>
Strategic Sourcing, Inc.<br>
Botanical Division, C.O.O.<br>
828.898.7642<br>
Fax.898.7647<br>
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<div><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> "MoonBranch Botanicals"
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<b>Sent:</b> 1/14/2014 8:35 PM <br>
<b>To:</b> "Roy Upton"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:herbal@got.net"><herbal@got.net></a>; "Edward
Fletcher"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:efletcher@StrategicSourcingInc.net"><efletcher@StrategicSourcingInc.net></a>
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<b>Cc:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org">"mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org"><mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org></a>;
"Ikhlas Khan" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ikhan@olemiss.edu"><ikhan@olemiss.edu></a>;
"Stefan Gafner"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stefan@herbalgram.org"><stefan@herbalgram.org></a>; "Mark
Blumenthal" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Mark@herbalgram.org"><Mark@herbalgram.org></a>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MPWG] ginseng
poaching program <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Okay, so I have to
ask, are laws, permits and the authority
to levy fines all representative of the
best way to protect this resource? If
the laws in place worked as intended,
there should be more ginseng in the
woods now than when the laws were
enacted, correct? Is ginseng more
plentiful now? Are the forests in better
shape? From what I’m seeing and
hearing the answer is “Noâ€.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A saying widely
attributed to Einstein reads
“Insanity: doing the same thing over
and over again and expecting different
resultsâ€seems pretty appropriate to
me! In my view prohibitions and negative
reinforcements seldom result in the
results intended. In fact history not
only validates this but also points to
the fact that the unintended
consequences can be far worse than the
original problem that the law was
designed to solve.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Look, we humans just
ain’t all that smart. There are far
too many variables in this equation to
adequately address this issue with some
kind of centrally planned regulatory
framework. I have yet to hear anyone
pose the question pertaining to
“Why†this poaching (if we call it
that) occurs to begin with. Don’t you
all think that would be a good place to
start? Obviously the approach we’ve
used is not working, are we really that
afraid to envision a different solution?
If so, we have bigger troubles than
ginseng theft on our hands!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Already we live in
the most heavily regulated and
litigation oriented society that the
planet has ever seen. Has crime
disappeared yet? I didn’t think
so…….</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">According to an
article in the Wall Street Journal a few
years back, (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704471504574438900830760842">http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704471504574438900830760842</a>)
Boston civil-liberties lawyer Harvey
Silverglate in his book "Three Felonies
a Day," refers to the number of crimes
he estimates the average American now
unwittingly commits. As ignorance is no
excuse in breaking the law, and courts
are no longer requiring proof of intent,
these coupled with the growing
militarization of law enforcement in the
US, especially in rural areas, makes for
a dangerous threat to our Constitution
and Bill of Rights.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As this is being
written, throughout the nation’s
parklands and forests, the documented
widespread use of surveillance equipment
has eroded Fourth Amendment provisions
for the personal privacy of those simply
trying to enjoy the outdoors. Before we
think about any new law, regulation or
policy, we must consider the bleak
dystopia so vividly presented by Orwell
and ask: “Is this the world in which I
want to live� Plainly it is not the
world our founders envisioned for this
country!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">- Robin<br>
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5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original
Message----- <br>
From: Roy Upton <herbal@got.net><br>
Sent: Jan 14, 2014 6:54 PM
<br>
To: Edward Fletcher <efletcher@strategicsourcinginc.net><br>
Cc:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org">mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org</a>,
'Ikhlas Khan' <ikhan@olemiss.edu>,
'Stefan Gafner' <stefan@herbalgram.org>,
'Mark Blumenthal' <mark@herbalgram.org><br>
Subject: Re:
[MPWG] ginseng
poaching program <br>
<br>
<zzzhtml><zzzhead></zzzhead><zzzbody
style="WORD-WRAP:
break-word;
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space;
-webkit-line-break:
after-white-space">Then it sounds relatively easy to enforce. Fine for
all illegally
sourced root
and that will
discourage the
practice.
Unfortunately,
it would
likely require
whistle
blowing to the
county or
state. I would
not want to do
it; the
consequences
for
individuals
and families
is pretty big;
so not sure
how one goes
about
addressing
such things
without
third-party
enforcement
for the State
itself.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Roy<br>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Jan
14, 2014, at
3:47 PM,
Edward
Fletcher
wrote:</div>
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<div><strong><em><font
color="#008200" face="MS Mincho" size="4">Hello Roy,</font></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em></em></strong> </div>
<div><strong><em><font
color="#008200" face="MS Mincho" size="4">Documenting by the dealers is
a little
different in
each state,
but at the
least the
dealer has to
document from
whom they buy
the ginseng
from, the date
of purchase,
the condition
dry or fresh,
the weight,
the state and
county where
it was
harvested. In
North Carolina
we have to
also see their
Drivers
License and
write their
number down
along with
their address
and ask for a
phone number.
So there is a
very well
documented
paper trail
for all
purchases.</font></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em></em></strong> </div>
<div><strong><em><font
color="#008200" face="MS Mincho" size="4">I agree there are rules in
place and
these need to
be enforced
& punished
on the law
breakers so
those who
harvest
legally are
not unduly
punished. </font></em></strong></div>
<div><strong><em><font
color="#008200" face="MS Mincho" size="4"><br>
Genuinely,<br>
Edward J.
Fletcher <br>
Strategic
Sourcing, Inc.<br>
Botanical
Division,
C.O.O.<br>
828.898.7642<br>
Fax.898.7647<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Efletcher@StrategicSourcingInc.net" target="_blank">Efletcher@StrategicSourcingInc.net</a><br>
<a
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<div>
<div><font
face="Tahoma"
size="2">-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> "<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:herbal@got.net" target="_blank">herbal@got.net</a>"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:herbal@got.net" target="_blank">herbal@got.net</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b>
1/12/2014 9:36
PM <br>
<b>To:</b>
"Edward
Fletcher" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:efletcher@StrategicSourcingInc.net"
target="_blank">efletcher@StrategicSourcingInc.net</a>> <br>
<b>Cc:</b>
"Jeanine
Davis" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jeanine_davis@ncsu.edu"
target="_blank">jeanine_davis@ncsu.edu</a>>;
"Ikhlas Khan"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ikhan@olemiss.edu" target="_blank">ikhan@olemiss.edu</a>>;
"Mark
Blumenthal"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Mark@herbalgram.org" target="_blank">Mark@herbalgram.org</a>>;
"Stefan
Gafner" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:stefan@herbalgram.org"
target="_blank">stefan@herbalgram.org</a>>;
"<a
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href="mailto:mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org</a>"
<<a
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<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
RE: [MPWG]
ginseng
poaching
program <br>
<br>
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<p><font
size="2">Hi
All,<br>
<br>
Just thought I
would add a
few thoughts.
As a number of
folks have <br>
said, this
film captures
only a part of
the
wildcrafting
story. <br>
Unfortunately,I
do think it
reflects a
real part of
the
wildcrafting <br>
community,
albeit not the
whole
wildcrafting
community. The
fact that <br>
the few gents
shown
represent a
big part of
the total
tonnage of
Amer <br>
ginseng that
is collected
is something
worthy of
acknowledging.
That <br>
individual
wildcrafters,
such as the
gent poaching
on federal
lands <br>
and the others
on private
property are
trying to put
food on their <br>
table and
simply not
caring about
the
environment or
propriety of <br>
doing it in a
sustainable
way. The
brokers and
dealers also
reflect a <br>
desire to "get
every bit of
it that is out
there", put
competitors
out <br>
of business,
and simply get
their piece of
the pie with
no <br>
consciousness
or caring.
Cape cod
fishermen are
the same;
they <br>
basically say
they want to
get what they
can while they
can and that <br>
is about it.
This puts
those wanting
to do it the
right way at
a <br>
disadvantage,
artificially
drives costs
up or down,
and
undermines <br>
efforts to
promote a
consciousness
of
sustainability.
To me, for <br>
threatened
species there
should be a
paper trail
required for
all <br>
those brokers,
how much they
got from who,e
and document
that all <br>
material
harvested was
done legally.
The "disabled"
guy clearly
should <br>
be penalized
just with the
evidence this
documentary
provides; that
he <br>
is probably
collecting
some type of
disability
while he has
the <br>
ability to
trek all over
the
Appalacians
and his clear
knowledge
that <br>
he is doing it
illegally.
Unfortunately,
all the
education in
the <br>
world will not
stop folks
like him from
getting what
they can,
when <br>
they can, and
however they
can and
threaten the
entire
tradition of <br>
wildcrafting.
The only
solution is to
go after those
types with <br>
penalties and
also focus on
the brokers of
illegally
obtained <br>
material. I
expect
documenting
sources either
is not part of
the <br>
ginseng
requirements
for brokers or
it is simply
not enforced.<br>
<br>
I am looking
forward to the
second
segment, more
hoping that
the gent <br>
will be caught
(never thought
I would say
something like
that about a <br>
wildcrafter)
and that there
would be
something good
would come by <br>
deterring
inappropriate
non-sustainable
practices.<br>
<br>
Roy<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sun Jan 12
18:12:13 2014,
Edward
Fletcher <br>
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:efletcher@StrategicSourcingInc.net" target="_blank">efletcher@StrategicSourcingInc.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> This show
sensationalizes
the fringe
element of the
ginseng
industry, NOT<br>
> the true
'wild
crafters' and
long heritage
of one of our
American
botanical<br>
>
treasures. But
then why would
'they' want to
make a show
that depicts
lawful<br>
> and
ethical people
who are just
trying to put
shoes on their
children's
feet<br>
> and food
on the
table....<br>
><br>
> Just as
Russ, I was
shocked that
they showed
Actaea
pachypoda and
called it<br>
> 'black
cohosh'. This
shows just how
deep and
thorough they
researched
their<br>
> subject
matter before
filming! How
can we make
them retract
and/or correct<br>
> this
possibly
dangerous
flagrant
inaccuracy.<br>
><br>
>
Genuinely,<br>
> Edward J.
Fletcher<br>
> Strategic
Sourcing, Inc.<br>
> Botanical
Division,
C.O.O.<br>
>
828.898.7642<br>
>
Fax.898.7647<br>
> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Efletcher@StrategicSourcingInc.net" target="_blank">Efletcher@StrategicSourcingInc.net</a><br>
> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.StrategicSourcingInc.net/" target="_blank">www.StrategicSourcingInc.net</a><br>
><br>
><br>
>
-----Original
Message-----<br>
> From:
"MPWG" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mpwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target="_blank">mpwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</a>><br>
> Sent:
1/10/2014 4:47
PM<br>
> To:
"Jeanine
Davis" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Jeanine_Davis@ncsu.edu"
target="_blank">Jeanine_Davis@ncsu.edu</a>><br>
> Cc:
"Ikhlas Khan"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ikhan@olemiss.edu" target="_blank">ikhan@olemiss.edu</a>>;
"Mark
Blumenthal"<br>
> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Mark@herbalgram.org" target="_blank">Mark@herbalgram.org</a>>;
"Stefan
Gafner" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:stefan@herbalgram.org"
target="_blank">stefan@herbalgram.org</a>>;<br>
> "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:MPWG@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">MPWG@lists.plantconservation.org</a>"
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:MPWG@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">MPWG@lists.plantconservation.org</a>><br>
> Subject:
Re: [MPWG]
ginseng
poaching
program<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Very
sobering. Like
the fishermen
in Cape Cod.
No regard for
the future,
for<br>
> the land,
or for
anything other
than an
instant buck.
Very sad.--Roy<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Jan
10, 2014, at
7:59 AM,
Jeanine Davis
wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> This is
all so
frustrating.
And it is
discouraging
forest
landowners
from<br>
> planting
wild-simulated
ginseng
because they
are afraid
with all this<br>
> publicity
it is in even
greater danger
of being
poached.
Jeanine<br>
><br>
> Jeanine
M. Davis,
Ph.D.<br>
> Associate
Professor and
Extension
Specialist<br>
> Dept. of
Horticultural
Science, NC
State
University<br>
> Email: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Jeanine_Davis@ncsu.edu"
target="_blank">Jeanine_Davis@ncsu.edu</a>
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href="x-msg://157/Jeanine_Davis@ncsu.edu%20" target="_blank">x-msg://157/Jeanine_Davis@ncsu.edu%20</a>><br>
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FAX:
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><br>
> From:
MPWG [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mpwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">mailto:mpwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
> Susan
Leopold<br>
> Sent:
Friday,
January 10,
2014 10:47 AM<br>
> To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ForestRuss@aol.com" target="_blank">ForestRuss@aol.com</a><br>
> Cc: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:MPWG@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">MPWG@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br>
> Subject:
Re: [MPWG]
ginseng
poaching
program<br>
><br>
> Thank you
Russ for
pointing out
the
information of
wrong
identification,<br>
> which
sets the stage
for the show
and possibly
more of its
kind in the<br>
> works. I
personally
think it is
horrific to
have a ginseng
show that<br>
> glorifies
poaching and
all the
illegal
activity that
took place in
this show<br>
> to
continue with
no
consequences.
If is was a
show about
poaching a<br>
> protected
animal I
wonder how the
public would
react?<br>
><br>
> I think
this quote
from the main
ginseng
dealers sums
up how plants
are<br>
>
perceived..
see quote and
link below.<br>
><br>
> UpS has
released a
formal press
release
warning the
History
Channel about<br>
> the
dangers of
promoting
poaching of a
threatened
species...<br>
><br>
> "its a
protected
species, but I
don't know
why. Its a
plant'<br>
> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.register-herald.com/local/x1956140531/New-reality-show-focuses-on"
target="_blank">http://www.register-herald.com/local/x1956140531/New-reality-show-focuses-on</a><br>
>
-state-ginseng-business<br>
> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/12/25/new-reality-show-focuses-on-west-v"
target="_blank">http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/12/25/new-reality-show-focuses-on-west-v</a><br>
>
irginia-ginseng-business/<br>
><br>
> On Jan
10, 2014, at
10:19 AM, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ForestRuss@aol.com" target="_blank">ForestRuss@aol.com</a>
wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> MPWG:<br>
><br>
> A new
program had
its debut on
History
Channel
yesterday
01/09/14
called<br>
>
"Appalachian
Outlaws.<br>
><br>
> The
program
appears to be
more about the
being a
ginseng
poacher than
almost<br>
> anything
else and I am
uncertain how
it could
impact ginseng<br>
>
growers...beyond
making theft a
thrill game.<br>
><br>
> One
concern I have
as a long time
grower of
black Cohosh
in a forest
setting<br>
> is that
one of the
poachers
already has
identified
"dolls eye",
Actaea<br>
>
pachypoda, as
black Cohosh,
a very
incorrect ID.
They made a
point of<br>
> showing
the fruit and
the foliage.<br>
><br>
> As a
grower of the
medicinal
black Cohosh
plant I think
that in 2014
black<br>
> Cohosh
root buyers
might have to
be more
vigilant in
vetting their
purchases<br>
> to make
sure they
aren't getting
poison.<br>
><br>
> I would
appreciate
other peoples'
thoughts or
comments on
the program<br>
><br>
>
Sincerely,<br>
><br>
> Russ
Richardson,
Certified
Forester<br>
><br>
><br>
>
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<pre>“Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.â€
Robin Alton Suggs
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5294 Yellow Creek Road
Robbinsville, North Carolina 28771
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United Plant Savers
One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
- Dr.Martin Luther King Jr.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
- Mahatma Gandhi
Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.
- Henry David Thoreau
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.
- Samuel Adams
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“Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.”
Robin Alton Suggs
MoonBranch Botanicals
5294 Yellow Creek Road
Robbinsville, North Carolina 28771
USA
Telephone: 828.479.2788
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:moonbranch@earthlink.net">moonbranch@earthlink.net</a>
Websites:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.moonbranch.com">www.moonbranch.com</a> & <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.localharvest.org/store/M16074">www.localharvest.org/store/M16074</a>
Member:
Appalachian Sustainable Agriculture Project; Farm Partner
Green Products Alliance
North Carolina Consortium on Natural Medicines
North Carolina Goodness Grows/NCDA&CS
United Plant Savers
One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
- Dr.Martin Luther King Jr.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
- Mahatma Gandhi
Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.
- Henry David Thoreau
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.
- Samuel Adams
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