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I have watched too many Powerpoint presentations with pictures of
"wild ginseng" populations growing next to stone walls on land that
was obviously plowed fields at one time within the past 100 years. <br>
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Lol ^^^ this. <br>
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Considering how little we actually know about natural ginseng seed
dispersal, except for human activity, I believe that humans are the
prime originator of the populations that we are now trying so hard
to preserve from humans.
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<p>As for the CBS news story that precipitated this entire,
enjoyable and enlightening discussion, (Your welcome
Patricia!), it seems that Mr. Eidus' "gloom and doom" remark,
has resulted in a spike in ginseng prices from the Asian
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Kind of funny given that my most recent random conversation with a
digger he was saying he's seen more ginseng this year than in the
last 10 years. <br>
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<p> People listen to and respect Charlie Rose in particular.
While this may be good in the short run, for dealers like me,
it is not good at all in the long run for the remaining
ginseng still growing in the wild. No regulations, not even a
complete ban of harvest will save these remaining plants from
poachers and the inevitable black market. It is time to
recognize that conservation efforts need to focus far more on
increasing the supply side of the equation through wild
simulated plantings then attempting to control harvest. </p>
<p>Bob</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
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free to disperse far and wide...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:19 PM,
Michael Schenk <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">While we might argue about
details and dates of extinction (hey, what do
you expect from tv?), wild ginseng is definitely
heavily threatened, by a synergy of factors.<br>
<br>
"Poaching". There are gray areas here, where
traditional harvesting might cross a paper
border, but there are clear signs that the
nature of ginseng harvesting has changed. Here's
one anecdote: a friend who grew up digging sang
found a good bed. He harvested from that bed for
years, but made the mistake of disclosing it to
an in-law with drug issues. The entire bed
disappeared. Combine this anecdote with the
ongoing recession and the spread of meth and
painkiller addiction... So traditional diggers
are also stewards, but there's another, newer
ethos going on here.<br>
<br>
Habitat loss. Population's increasing, and an
awful lot of people of means want a lawn in the
country. Mountaintop removal coal mining buries
Appalachian coves in waste; prime ginseng
habitat is used as a landfill. Interstate
highways just have to be built. I'm sure MPWGers
can fill in many other habitat issues.<br>
<br>
Invasive species. I know we've argued this over
in the past, but I've seen with my own eyes how
stiltgrass and tearthumb can completely dominate
forest edge areas, as well as interior areas.
With habitat fragmentation, there's lots more
edge, too.<br>
<br>
Climate change. Another hot button, but it's
happening. Plants are especially vulnerable to
rapidly changing ecosystems, especially
slow-growing plants with modest seed dispersal.
Ginseng likes it cool. I've seen it grow best
near the foot of a ridge, flushed with rain
runoff. As the coves and hollows warm, the
cooler zone moves higher towards the peak, plus
it gets drier. Eventually, we run out of
mountain. Animals and birds can migrate to the
next ridge over, but how many of those will be
passing ginseng seed?
<br>
<br>
Deer. Many populations are out of whack. "Browse
lines" are familiar to many or most of us, where
there's nothing but thick woody stems below
reaching height for a hungry deer. Not only
forest-floor plants, but future generations of
trees, are disappearing there.<br>
<br>
These factors make it critical to have protected
areas for wild ginseng. Cultivated ginseng isn't
the same. Commercial seed sources can be
chemically dependent on pesticides after
generations of cultivation. I grow wild
simulated, but this is indeed simulated, not a
distinctive population adapted to a locale over
thousands of years (even if wild simulated does
sell as "wild"). Ginseng has been shown to
develop many isolated, genetically distinct
populations. Each time we lose a bed, we could
be losing the equivalent of an entire
subspecies. <br>
<br>
These problems are beyond the scope of any
single or easy solution, but we definitely need
to protect as many wild populations as we can.
Even from a commercial viewpoint, this makes
sense, to maintain genetic diversity as
insurance against blight and inbreeding.
Traditional diggers who replant probably do more
than anyone in this regard. The government is
limited in what steps it can take, but it does
have statutory responsibility in National Parks,
as well as responsibility for the trade of
endangered species per CITES. I've also heard
horror stories from private landowner/growers
who have had years of work dug up in a day, with
very limited legal recourse. Maybe we could use
more rights for small growers.<br>
<br>
What do folks think about instituting isolated,
single-population ginseng growing refuges,
clearly identified as to source and lineage?
(similar to the seed bank Marla proposes on
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://change.org" target="_blank">change.org</a>)
This would be an active step beyond the
necessary but somewhat passive protection of
wild populations. I tend to buy seed from a
single grower, but I have mixed some seed from
another source.<br>
<br>
Bob, for some reason I didn't see your letter in
your post, the attachment may not have survived
the digest format.<br>
<br>
Mike Schenk<br>
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PS: Let's not point fingers about the video,
after all this is "television journalism" - low
info content, short attention span, high drama.
'Nuff said <grin>.<br>
<br>
><br>
>Today's Topics:<br>
><br>
> 1. ginseng in the news (Susan Leopold)<br>
> 2. Re: ginseng in the news (Colin Donohue)<br>
> 3. Re: ginseng in the news (Michael
McGuffin)<br>
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>Message: 1<br>
>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 17:15:39 -0400<br>
>From: Susan Leopold <br>
>To: mpwg <br>
>Subject: [MPWG] ginseng in the news<br>
>Message-ID:<br>
> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:5DE76C5A-A955-4B6D-BCC9-A93B83BEB7CB@unitedplantsavers.org"
target="_blank">5DE76C5A-A955-4B6D-BCC9-A93B83BEB7CB@unitedplantsavers.org</a>><br>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>
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>United Plant Savers has started a <a
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href="http://change.org" target="_blank">change.org</a>
letter to bring awareness to our members and the
public and to show various agencies that the
public cares and supports ginseng conservation
efforts....<br>
><br>
>Below is a link to the CBS story and to our
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://change.org" target="_blank">
change.org</a> letter, also you can go to the
UpS website <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.unitedplantsavers.org"
target="_blank">
www.unitedplantsavers.org</a> for links to
several recent news articles and ginseng
recently published research.<br>
><br>
>Please join this campaign: <a
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href="http://chn.ge/15Eon5H" target="_blank">http://chn.ge/15Eon5H</a><br>
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><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57601454/ginseng-poaching-threatens-survival-of-plant-species/"
target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57601454/ginseng-poaching-threatens-survival-of-plant-species/</a><br>
><br>
>Susan Leopold, PhD<br>
>Executive Director, UpS<br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:703-667-0208" target="_blank">703-667-0208</a><br>
><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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