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<p>Dear Connie</p>
<p>Thank you for posting. This is a classic example of what harm can occur when good intentions are not thought out. When Ontario abruptly decided to ban all ginseng harvest, I was immediately contacted by a number of woodland growers whom I had worked with
for years, either consulting or selling seed. They immediately found themselves unable to sell their roots. I wrote letters telling the authorities that these folks were bona fide growers and could prove they had purchased seed and had grown their woodland
ginseng. Indeed I had visited some of these growers and had inspected their beds. I was told that since wild simulated and truly wild ginseng were visually indistinguishable, what was to stop the growers from secretly buying truly wild ginseng and mixing it
with their wild simulated? </p>
<p>The intention of the ban was to protect wild ginseng, but in reality, the exact opposite occurred. The black market and the unscrupulous poachers who support it continued to dig and sell the wild roots. As everyone knows, all the regulations regarding wild
ginseng harvest are impossible to enforce and our border is easy to cross. The growers mostly gave up trying to grow it, since they had no legal market and the status of wild ginseng in Ontario went from scarce to extinct in many of its historical locations.
Ginseng is far worse off in Ontario as a result of this well intentioned, but poorly thought out regulation. It is astonishing to me that regulators seem to think that by passing a ban, that a ban will actually occur. The only result was to create many new
"criminals" who previously were honest people. When people are faced with a regulation that makes no sense and cannot be enforced, it only serves to breed contempt for all regulations. Here in NY we have had buyers openly advertising in local newspapers that
they are buying wild ginseng up to a month before the season opens . A simple perusal of Ebay shows diggers offering freshly dug, wild NY ginseng 3 weeks before the season opens. Numerous reports of this misbehavior to both state in federal authorities by
at least a dozen individuals, whom I know personally, has had no effect. No one has been prosecuted. </p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 09, 2013 10:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Susan; Jeanine Davis; MoonBranch Botanicals<br>
<b>Cc:</b> mpwg<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MPWG] ginseng in the news<br>
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<p>On the issue of overharvesting of wild ginseng. </p>
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<p>We in Canada have had an over reaction in Ontario. Many and in my humble opinion most of the wild ginseng in Ontario and much of Quebec has been planted by traditional pickers - not actual wild ginseng. There is also growers that plant ginseng in the wild
and then harvest their own root that they have planted up to 10 years later. </p>
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<p>The issue is can they prove it is theirs not true wild ginseng. In Quebec wild ginseng growers have documented their plantings and informed the authorities so they can prove ownership. Ontario was not so organized and thus when the Ontario ministry of natural
resourses decided to without consultation make harvesting etc of ginseng illegal - both field planted ginseng and forest planted ginseng became illegal.</p>
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<p>Because Ontario field ginseng growers have an organization - they were able to get an exempt. Wild planted ginseng growers were not so lucky.
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<p>We have and are working with both growers and governments to get practices in place to ensure that if they plant ginseng in the wild they can still harvest their own roots.
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<p>We have worked with CITES in Canada on ensuring that decisons about endangered plants are based in fact. Not all wildcrafters rape and pilage. Many are generational pickers that care for the the plants so their grandchildren still have the resource. Unfortunately
they often get clumped in with those who do not take care. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Often the overharvest of plant are spurged by some overstated overenthusiastic study that takes the highest price of the plant and multiply that with the largest volumes to make it look like a fortune would be made by simply wandering into the wild and picking
plants for free. </p>
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<p>It is important to protect the plants and ensure they are not endangered but we need to do so with thought ...... the facts are important and we must ensure that this is the basis we work from - on all sides.
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<p>Connie Kehler</p>
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 00:23:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00), MoonBranch Botanicals <moonbranch@earthlink.net> wrote:<br>
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From: Susan <susan@unitedplantsavers.org> <br>
Sent: Sep 8, 2013 5:11 PM <br>
To: Jeanine Davis <jeanine_davis@ncsu.edu> <br>
Cc: mpwg <mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org> <br>
Subject: Re: [MPWG] ginseng in the news <br>
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<div>Yes the time is now to speak up. <br>
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On Sep 8, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Jeanine Davis <<a href="mailto:Jeanine_Davis@ncsu.edu" target="_blank">Jeanine_Davis@ncsu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Oh Randi, how dreadful...and now they want to frack in NC, too. This all makes me so angry. I do think it is time for more of us scientists to speak up.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jeanine</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jeanine Davis, Associate Professor & Extension Specialist<br>
Dept. of Horticultural Science, NC State University<br>
website: <a href="http://ncherb.org" target="_blank">ncherb.org</a><br>
Sent from my Droid</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 8, 2013 3:19 PM, "Randi Pokladnik" <<a href="mailto:randi@clover.net" target="_blank">randi@clover.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">I did my dissertation on poaching in 2008 and it is an issue in Ohio. I am worried now because we have out of state people swarming the area fracking! If the frack pads themselves and out of state vehicles (carrying
invasives back and forth) are not bad enough, we have invasive people so to speak, crossing properties without any thought to privacy issues. We had one lady find dynamite charges set up on her land in Belmont county Ohio... she was going to build a house
and took a walk around, the company claims it was all a big mistake but beware, I see fracking trucks withdrawing water illegally from hidden areas as well as the local MWCD lakes. This is so ridiculous! And then the earth quakes as well as spent frack fluid
being poured out in wooded regions.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">The medicinals seem to be off the radar as far as ODNR is concerned when it comes to getting out that natural gas.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Randi Pokladnik</font></span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeannie Dunn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 06, 2013 9:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Colin Donohue<br>
<b>Cc:</b> mpwg<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MPWG] ginseng in the news<br>
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Colin and Jeanine,
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<div>Thanks for all you have just put out there. Agreed.
<div>I really believe WNC residential and commercial development and periodic forest service/DOT maintenance probably do more damage to annihilate our herbal medicines in the area, more than poachers ever will.</div>
<div>I also think that we will still have ginseng in 10-20 years because the old-timers and their generations who harvest know how to proliferate the species as they harvest, scattering seeds and spreading roots.</div>
<div>It will be "wild cultivated" ginseng but it will still be considered wild. I believe Robert Eidus is trying to bring attention to the industry and he has a right to his opinion. I hope he's wrong and we can sustain our wild ginseng but if more people are
moving into western NC and the developments sprawl outwards, we may not have much of a forest to grow it!</div>
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<div>Jeannie Dunn</div>
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<div>Red Moon Herbs</div>
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That would be great. I regret I'm not in the role I once was, but this issue is still dear to my heart.
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A meeting of the minds, and forging of common strategies and efforts could be a great thing in both stewarding 'sang in the wild and supporting lifeways of the responsible ginseng stewards and harvesters out there.
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C<br>
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production. I have some ideas, that are built on consumer demand and pressure.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jeanine</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jeanine Davis, Associate Professor & Extension Specialist<br>
Dept. of Horticultural Science, NC State University<br>
website: <a href="http://ncherb.org" target="_blank">ncherb.org</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext">I could not agree with you more that the information presented by Robert Eidus was unfortunate, at best.
</span></font><font color="black" size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext">But Susan Leopold was exactly correct in calling attention to the very limited resources that are applied to plant
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Colin Donohue<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 05, 2013 3:02 PM<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> Susan Leopold<br>
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I'm amused to see Robert Eidus as the spokesperson for the survivability of Ginseng. It will be gone in 10-20 years? That's idiotic.
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I'm sure Mr. Eidus didn't mean what he was cast as saying on the clip, but it's still incorrect information.
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I'm very disappointed to see UPS trumpeting this incorrect and sensationalized clip.
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Yes, there are issues with ginseng harvest, and I'd be the first to shout from the mountaintop that poaching is a real issue that needs attention, and that more resources should go into plant conservation. But putting incorrect information out to spur public
concern is disingenuous. <br>
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<pre>Robin Alton Suggs
MoonBranch Botanicals
5294 Yellow Creek Road
Robbinsville, North Carolina 28771
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Green Products Alliance
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North Carolina Goodness Grows/NCDA&CS
United Plant Savers
There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at
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