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<p class="MsoNormal">Where to start… </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For sure, as in many contemporary issues, this “situation”
is what happens when a complex and multi-faceted issues meets a 30 second
sound/video bite passed off as “news” by the MSM. Unfortunately (and perhaps
striking more closely to “the root” of the problem) a 30 second allotment meets
the expected attention span of most of their viewers, so I can’t put all the blame
on the media I suppose.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That said, UPS shares a most valid concern with all, or at
least most of us in this community. While plants in general do not elicit the
same “warm and fuzzy” feeling in the so-called environmental community as do
the “charismatic mega-fauna” like the bald eagle or perhaps the timber wolf,
American ginseng is perhaps our best candidate in terms of reaching “charismatic
mega-flora” status. Now if we could just all focus on how best to use that status
to sustain it in the wild.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Once again, I find myself beating on the “policy does not
work” drum. Unfortunately, policy as a management tool is all our bureaucrats
and technocrats understand. The use of force and the threat of use of force is
not only undesirable in terms of effecting long term change, it is costly, ineffective
and unsustainable. Consider for a moment the failed “war on drugs”,
Prohibition, and the illegality of prostitution as a few prime examples for
comparison here. In all cases the negative fallout from “unintended consequences”
were and are far worse than the social ills that the policies were put in place
to remedy. The prevailing prohibition policy thinking in our society never
solves any problems or social ill, it only serves as a mechanism in forcing
them to retreat to the shadowy recesses of societal fringes where they “metastasize”
and get really, really ugly. Too bad that only treating the symptoms of our
problems is the order of our day.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I believe Thoreau got it right in this, as he did with most
things, when he stated: “There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root.” <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">I
for one believe it is high time to do some root cause analysis here. </b>Is
that too much to ask? Or is it, as an approach, too grounded in logic, common sense,
and realism to be considered? OR, perhaps is there here, as in many areas, another
agenda at play? I have to ask…</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps it is simply just too profitable for some of our “leaders”
to resist supplying state, federal, and local governments with tax dollars for
armored personnel carriers, guns, ammo, night vision, GPS units, body armor,
uniforms, and on and on in the name of protecting the Natural World from us,
along with us from each other. Is it, much as in the warning contained in
President Eisenhower’s farewell address regarding a then newly emerging “military-industrial
complex”, that poachers and poaching are just another point of profit for the
state and their corporate minions feeding a very well documented “prison/judicial
industrial complex”? Has “corporatism” (fascism really) so engulfed the
political system of our Nation that policy is enacted with expectation for
profit and not much else? I have to ask as I see no other reason for the insane
continuation of such a short-sighted and ineffective way to affect change and
steer human behavior. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are many productive ways to address this and many
issues of our time. All of them require the establishment of an open dialogue
and active participation of ALL stakeholders. This is, and will continue to be
the only way to safeguard our future, the future of American ginseng along with
a broader total bio-diversity, and indeed our planet.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In closing, pragmatism forces me to touch briefly on the
subject of cultivation. By “cultivation” I am referring to the intentional
growing of ginseng (or anything really) in a landscape or scenario greatly
altered to maximize the production of one, or perhaps just a few species. While
I do believe that cultivation in the narrow sense as just stated has its place,
it is not the answer. Consider this on your next visit to the zoo of your
choosing. Is relegating the plants of the world to some carefully controlled,
yet contrived existence really your vision for our future? Of what is sustainable?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If not, then let us join forces through a voluntary
marketplace to build value, both economic and abstract, for all life, before we
reach a point where we cannot or perhaps will not be “allowed” to turn this
ship around.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Respectfully submitted for due consideration and with the
most benevolent of intents,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Robin</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<br>From: Colin Donohue <colin@nnfp.org>
<br>Sent: Sep 5, 2013 8:28 PM
<br>To: Jeanine Davis <jeanine_davis@ncsu.edu>
<br>Cc: mpwg <mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org>
<br>Subject: Re: [MPWG] ginseng in the news
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Absolutely.<br>
<br>
That would be great. I regret I'm not in the role I once was, but
this issue is still dear to my heart. <br>
<br>
A meeting of the minds, and forging of common strategies and
efforts could be a great thing in both stewarding 'sang in the
wild and supporting lifeways of the responsible ginseng stewards
and harvesters out there. <br>
<br>
C<br>
<br>
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On 9/5/2013 8:23 PM, Jeanine Davis wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">On an open forum all I am willing to say is that I am
not amused and this story could have been more accurate and
hopeful. We do need to brainstorm on strategies to reduce
poaching to conserve wild populations and encourage more wild
simulated production. I have some ideas, that are built on
consumer demand and pressure.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jeanine</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jeanine Davis, Associate Professor & Extension
Specialist<br>
Dept. of Horticultural Science, NC State University<br>
website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ncherb.org">ncherb.org</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 5, 2013 7:46 PM, "Michael
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="4"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">I
could not agree with you more that the information
presented by Robert Eidus was unfortunate, at best.
</span></font><font color="black" face="Calibri" size="4"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">But
Susan Leopold was exactly correct in calling
attention to the very limited resources that are
applied to plant conservation. This was an important
message, and an appropriate message from United
Plant Savers.</span></font></p>
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MPWG [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mpwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org" target="_blank">mpwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Colin Donohue<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, September 05, 2013 3:02 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Susan Leopold<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
mpwg<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [MPWG] ginseng in the news</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This is great, other than
being wrong.
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I'm amused to see Robert Eidus as the spokesperson
for the survivability of Ginseng. It will be gone
in 10-20 years? That's idiotic.
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I'm sure Mr. Eidus didn't mean what he was cast as
saying on the clip, but it's still incorrect
information.
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I'm very disappointed to see UPS trumpeting this
incorrect and sensationalized clip.
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Yes, there are issues with ginseng harvest, and
I'd be the first to shout from the mountaintop
that poaching is a real issue that needs
attention, and that more resources should go into
plant conservation. But putting incorrect
information out to spur public concern is
disingenuous. <br>
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Colin<br>
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On 9/5/2013 5:15 PM, Susan Leopold wrote:</span></font></p>
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started a
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://change.org" target="_blank">change.org</a>
letter to bring awareness to our members and the
public and to show various agencies that the
public cares and supports ginseng conservation
efforts....</span></font></p>
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CBS story and to our
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://change.org" target="_blank">change.org</a>
letter, also you can go to the UpS website
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.unitedplantsavers.org" target="_blank">www.unitedplantsavers.org</a>
for links to several recent news articles and
ginseng recently published research.</span></font></p>
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Robin Alton Suggs
MoonBranch Botanicals
5294 Yellow Creek Road
Robbinsville, North Carolina 28771
USA
Telephone: 828.479.2788
Email: moonbranch@earthlink.net
Websites:
www.moonbranch.com & www.localharvest.org/store/M16074
Member:
Appalachian Sustainable Agriculture Project; Farm Partner
Green Products Alliance
North Carolina Consortium on Natural Medicines
North Carolina Goodness Grows/NCDA&CS
United Plant Savers
There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root. - Henry David Thoreau
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