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On 10-10-25 03:36 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Patricia_DeAngelis@fws.gov">Patricia_DeAngelis@fws.gov</a> wrote:
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<font face="sans-serif" size="3">Thanks for providing more
information.
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<font face="sans-serif" size="3">I still would like to see the actual
proposed language in its entirety that provides the specific details
that
they are inviting comment on. Maybe I didn't look closely enough at the
links in your original message, but I felt like it was just a
collection
of disjointed information without any real explanatory info - ? I can't
comprehend how the public could be asked for comments without being
provided
the complete and actual proposed language. Maybe I'm just used to the
U.S.
federal requirement to publish in the Federal Register?</font>
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As far as I know those documents are it. There may be a Federal
Register publication; but I haven't heard that there is.<br>
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The consultation was, I thought originally, confined to the growers who
are participating in either the Canadian or U.S. version of the
program. So I suppose that those growers already understand the context
in which the proposal was made. But then two CFIA officials suggested
that the discussion on this policy ought to be broadened to interested
persons and organizations outside the immediate grower participant
circle. <br>
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Conrad Richter<br>
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<font face="sans-serif" size="3">Thanks,</font>
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<font face="sans-serif" size="3">-Patricia</font>
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<font face="sans-serif" size="2">Patricia S. De Angelis, Ph.D.<br>
Botanist - Division of Scientific Authority<br>
Chair - Plant Conservation Alliance - Medicinal Plant Working Group<br>
US Fish & Wildlife Service<br>
4401 N. Fairfax Dr., Suite 110<br>
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703-358-1708 x1753<br>
FAX: 703-358-2276<br>
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Promoting sustainable use and conservation of our native medicinal
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<font size="3">On 10-10-25 08:33 AM, </font><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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CFIA is the Canadian Food Inspection Agency , according to Google.</font><font
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This is an interesting topic and worth taking an impartial look.
However,
I can't seem to find the actual documents published by the Canadian
government.
I'm hoping the actual documents will provide details such as, </font>
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<li><font face="sans-serif" size="2">What criteria are used to
decide if
a species is invasive? </font></li>
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I have asked CFIA for information about that. I do know there is a
binational
committee of experts that has been for the past three years reviewing
plants
for this list. One of the things I asked for is a list of species that
were considered and rejected; but I have no word yet if such a thing
exists.
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<li><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Is this retroactive or does it
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with imports after a certain date?</font><font size="3"> </font></li>
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Not retroactive. The expectation is that this policy will be
implemented
next year with an as yet undefined transition period. <br>
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<li><font face="sans-serif" size="2">I'm really surprised to see in
the Proposed
Authorized Plant List by Genus, that they have columns for how the
plants
must be sourced (i.e., greenhouse grown and propagated from seed or
tissue
culture), apparently in order to be acceptable. I don't get that at
all.
Is this about regulating invasive plants or is this an implication that
there is some sort of pathogen on the material if not cultivated?</font></li>
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This is not just about invasive plants, though invasives are a big part
of it. It is also -- perhaps more so -- about pests and diseases
that might be on plants. <br>
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<li><font face="sans-serif" size="2">How will they rectify
non-native vs.
native species?</font></li>
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Ethnicity is immaterial. <br>
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Definitely worth taking a closer look. If anyone comes across any
offical
links from the Canadian government's website, please forward to the
list.
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I know the USDA was working on similar legislation for nursery stock.
Not
really sure what's going on with that endeavor. Does anyone on the list
know?</font><font size="3"> </font>
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This is not just Canadian! This is joint U.S. and Canadian policy.
There is a parallel consultation underway on the U.S. side.<br>
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I'm cc'g to the Alien Plant Working Group listserve as well. <br>
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Thank you,</font><font size="3"> </font><font face="sans-serif"
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Patricia</font><font size="3"> <br>
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Patricia S. De Angelis, Ph.D.<br>
Botanist - Division of Scientific Authority<br>
Chair - Plant Conservation Alliance - Medicinal Plant Working Group<br>
US Fish & Wildlife Service<br>
4401 N. Fairfax Dr., Suite 110<br>
Arlington, VA 22203<br>
703-358-1708 x1753<br>
FAX: 703-358-2276<br>
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Does anyone know what dept of CFIA this is?<br>
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C. Kehler <br>
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On 2010-10-24, at 7:08 PM, Robert Layton Beyfuss <</font><a
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Hi All</font><font size="3"> </font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br>
According to </font><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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there are over 400,000 named flowering plant species worldwide,
according
to </font><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.invasive.org/"><font
color="blue" face="Tahoma" size="2"><u>http://www.invasive.org/</u></font></a><font
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there are 218 invasive plant species in the US. So, the roughly 399,800
non invasive plants should be listed and must be checked before someone
can bring it one in or out? A wonderful and efficient use of our
resources.
The customs and border patrols must be thrilled by this.</font><font
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This is insane.</font><font size="3"> </font><font face="Tahoma"
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Bob</font><font size="3"> </font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br>
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<hr><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> </font><a
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Sent:</b> Sunday, October 24, 2010 1:01 PM<b><br>
To:</b> Conrad Richter; </font><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject:</b> Re: [MPWG] Fwd:</font><font size="3"><br>
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While I understand the concern regarding the introduction of new
problem
plants, this approach seems a bit bizarre. More puzzling is the
attention
paid to this issue regarding the movement of living things across
geopolitical
(meaningless from the standpoint of the natural world) boundaries,
while
these same governments pay little attention to the equivalent
biological
"weapons of mass destruction" like the introduction of GE salmon
and other genetically modified organisms into our biosphere.<br>
<br>
These governments seem far more interested in the bottom line of
multinational
corporations than the common good. We see this agenda played out daily
in policies that are enacted and that while sounding beneficial, often
upon deeper investigation we see that they play into the financial
goals
and bottom line of these same corporations.<br>
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It is not my intent here to place blame or to paint all of those vested
with the authority of overseeing our interests with the same broad
brush.
However we must remember that these same entities were often the very
ones
responsible for the introduction of many of our greatest plant pests
today
such as kudzu and multiflora rose. The bottom line here is that
agencies
are staffed by people and people make mistakes.<br>
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Once again, I believe the focus of those charged with protecting our
interests
should go after real and imminent threats instead of potential or even
imaginary ones. USDA, FDA, and the EPA should be looking at those
organisms
that have no track record outside the laboratory and as such have to
potential
to unleash unimaginable consequences.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Robin A. Suggs<br>
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From: Conrad Richter <br>
Sent: Oct 24, 2010 3:53 AM <br>
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Subject: [MPWG] Fwd: <br>
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"WHITE LIST" OF AUTHORIZED PLANTS (Canada and U.S.)</b> </font>
<p><font face="Tahoma" size="2">The U.S. and Canadian governments are
planning
to introduce a "white list" of plants that are allowed entry
into each country under a joint Canada-USA greenhouse certification
program.
The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the Canadian
Food
Inspection Agency (CFIA) are requesting comments from stakeholders on a
proposal to replace the current list of prohibited plants with this new
list of allowed plants. What this means is that if a plant is not on
the
allowed list it cannot enter the U.S. from Canada or vice versa. Many
thousands
of plants including many herbs will be barred entry under the proposal.</font><font
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<p><font face="Tahoma" size="2">This change is highly significant for
both
countries because it appears to be a first attempt to implement a
controversal
"white list" approach to the control of cross-border plant movement.
The proposed "white list" is far more restrictive than the current
"black list" of prohibited plants that has been in place since
the inception of the binational Greenhouse Certification Program in
1996.
The proposed "white list" of allowed plants includes less than
1000 plant genera, out of over 12,600 genera of flowering plants known
to man. The current "black list" of prohibited plants has fewer
than 100 genera.</font><font size="3"> </font>
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<p><font face="Tahoma" size="2">Some suggest that the powerful
anti-invasives
movement in the U.S. is behind the push to introduce "white lists"
of plants that are allowed into the country. While invasives are a
problem
for both countries, the new list will affect thousands of plants
already
in the horticultural trade, and will limit the introduction of new
plants
to gardeners.</font><font size="3"> </font>
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<p><font face="Tahoma" size="2">For gardeners, it is worth reflecting
a moment
on how many new plants that you have enjoyed growing over the past
10-20
years, and how many of them might not have been available to you had
this
"white list" been in place.</font><font size="3"> </font>
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<p><font face="Tahoma" size="2">Gardeners, herbalists, commercial
growers,
and the gardening and herbal media are encouraged to submit comments.</font><font
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</font></p>
<p><font color="#cc0033" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>The deadline for
comments
is October 31, 2010.</b></font><font size="3"> </font>
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<p><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>United States</b>: Email your
comments
to Michael D. Ward, Senior Accreditation Projects Manager,
USDA-APHIS-PPQ
(</font><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>Canada</b>: Email your comments to
the
CFIA (</font><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p><font face="Tahoma" size="2">The relevant documents, including the
proposed
lists of authorized genera and families, are available </font><a
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