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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Thank you for the replies, I should have been more specific.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>To clarify<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>What I object to is that plants get labeled as a ----- plant. For
example <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">St John</st1:place></st1:City>'s
Wort - the anti-depressant plant. We know it does enhance mood in some people
but primarily its traditional use is for improving liver function, as a healer
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>To label a plant an 'aphrodisiac' is to diminish it to drug-like status
like 'Viagra'.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>If there is a real endocrine dysfunction or other sexual issues then the
treatment approach by a holistic practitioner reflects that person’s
particular health scenario. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>To label a plant as this or that reduces its unique contribution to
healing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>To give a more precise example:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Avena sativa was advertised here as the herbal ‘Viagra’.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Well it isn’t – what it does do is provides a source of
bio-available silica that is an important constituent in ALL connective tissues
and especially for the myelin sheaths surrounding the nerves. As a part of its
effect on the whole body it also improves erectile function as well as being
calming. To just focus on the erectile function diminishes its extraordinary effect
on the whole body. Not only that but it is how to use it. Tinctures will not do
it but a decoction will. And further it is about the quantity used in the
decoction and how much is consumed. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I recently wrote a paper on ‘The Plant/Person Relationship in Healing’
that explored the many facets of a plant’s unique expression and how each
of these contributes to healing. To reduce any plant to one or two actions
perpetuates the linear reductionist view that is used in the hope of bringing something
virtually unfathomable into our comprehension. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Beth Judy
[mailto:beth.judyjudyjudy@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 3 November 2009
8:38 a.m.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Terressentials<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Isla Burgess; pankaj oudhia;
mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [MPWG] Can't say
whether size matters or not, but knowledge matters</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Well said, Diana. I
appreciate Isla's concern. "Aphrodisiac" can be a popular hook that
in the end, helps put herbs, in many reasonable people's minds, on that shelf
labeled "quackery." But clinically they can be as much a godsend as
remedies for any other illnesses.<br>
<br>
Thank you. <br>
<br>
-- <br>
Beth Judy<br>
<a href="http://www.floradelaterre.com">www.floradelaterre.com</a><br>
406-728-2977<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Terressentials <<a
href="mailto:terressentials@mailworks.org">terressentials@mailworks.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi, Isla.<br>
<br>
Am I interpreting your email correctly to understand that you believe<br>
that we should not use this forum to discuss herbals that have the<br>
potential to stimulate sexual desire? If this is not your opinion, then<br>
please excuse my misunderstanding and disregard this email.<br>
<br>
However, if this is your opinion then, with all due respect, I beg to<br>
disagree. While I do agree with your premise that sexual desire<br>
involves not just physical health and well-being, but also how a partner<br>
in the relationship is being treated and respected, at times there is an<br>
underlying physiological imbalance that an "aphrodisiac" might be
able<br>
to correct. Sexual desire, along with the ability to enjoy sex and<br>
experience sexual fulfillment are normal physiological functions, and I<br>
believe that healers should be able to use all available methods to help<br>
their patients achieve full and normal functioning of their bodies so<br>
that the individual can have balance -- good health and peace of mind.<br>
<br>
Over the years, I have heard from many women of a wide range of ages --<br>
30's, 40', 50' and up -- who suffer from endocrine malfunction with<br>
decreased energy and libido. Many are depressed because of their lack<br>
of energy and because they have little or no sexual desire. If there is<br>
real endocrine dysfunction and not just a situational or behavioral<br>
problem, then adjustment of diet -- foods and herbs -- should be<br>
investigated. If there are herbs that are being safely used to help<br>
women (or men) with this condition then I, for one, would welcome<br>
learning more about them.<br>
<br>
I would like to say, however, that I am not speaking of using herbals<br>
for ego-boosting, vanity or purely recreational purposes, I am speaking<br>
of herbals as treatments for legitimate clinical diagnoses of endocrine<br>
malfunction or problematic menopause issues.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Diana Kaye<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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----- Original message -----<br>
From: "Isla Burgess" <<a href="mailto:isla@herbcollege.com">isla@herbcollege.com</a>><br>
To: "'pankaj oudhia'" <<a href="mailto:pankajoudhia@yahoo.com">pankajoudhia@yahoo.com</a>>,<br>
<a href="mailto:mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org">mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org</a><br>
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:50:36 +1300<br>
Subject: Re: [MPWG] Can't say whether size matters or not,
but<br>
knowledge matters<br>
<br>
Nga Mihi to all,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As a medical herbalist with a clinical practice spanning 30 years I find<br>
myself 'reacting' to the idea of a plant or drug being used as an<br>
'Aphrodisiac'.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The need for such a plant (or drug) is many layered and multifaceted.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
It involves not just physical health and wellbeing but how a partner in<br>
a relationship is being treated and respected.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I am not sure that this Discussion Group is a vehicle for this type of<br>
discussion.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Ka kite,<br>
<br>
IslA<br>
<br>
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<br>
Isla Burgess<br>
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Director<br>
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w:st="on">New Zealand</st1:country-region></st1:place><br>
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isla@HerbCollege.com<br>
<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:mpwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org">mpwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:mpwg-">mpwg-</a><br>
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On Behalf Of pankaj oudhia Sent:<br>
Sunday, 1 November 2009 6:40 p.m. To:<br>
<a href="mailto:mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org">mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org</a>
Subject: [MPWG] Can't say whether<br>
size matters or not, but knowledge matters<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear Group Members,<br>
<br>
The new documents in series titled "Excerpts from my
field diary<br>
(July 2009 onwards)" are now online. Please visit
these links.<br>
<br>
Art of using Aphrodisiac<br>
<br>
Traditional Agricultural Knowledge, Dhekna Booti and <st1:place w:st="on">Pest</st1:place>
Management<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.pankajoudhia.com/newwork11.html" target="_blank">http://www.pankajoudhia.com/newwork11.html</a><br>
<br>
Updated versions of old research documents<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.pankajoudhia.com/newwork12.html" target="_blank">http://www.pankajoudhia.com/newwork12.html</a><br>
<br>
Keep talking and let me guess the herbs you are taking<br>
<br>
Combination of Six types of Medicinal Rice and its use as "Panacea"<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.pankajoudhia.com/newwork13.html" target="_blank">http://www.pankajoudhia.com/newwork13.html</a><br>
<br>
Let's form task force under leadership of Dr. M. Mahadevappa and<br>
experts like him<br>
<br>
Can't say whether size matters or not, but knowledge matters<br>
<br>
Reap actual benefit from tree plantations: Example of Gardi<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.pankajoudhia.com/newwork14.html" target="_blank">http://www.pankajoudhia.com/newwork14.html</a><br>
<br>
Pankaj Oudhia<br>
<br>
[Give me space, I will enrich your knowledge.]<br>
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