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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000 size=4>Well Said Bob "laws
don't protect plants", but in some instances we do need
them.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000
size=4></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000 size=4>Example, I made an
observation years ago while we were doing a plant rescue project where a housing
development was going in. They allowed us to come in and rescue the plants on
the lots as they were sold before dozing them under. This particular day
there were 4 people on the rescue. We dug the plants within the marked
boundary and we dug for a little over 4 hours, collecting over 16 different
species of plants and yes some were considered protected.
</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000 size=4>Then a bulldozer came
in and dozed the same area in less than one hour, leaving nothing and
devastating everything to the point of no possibility of
regrow!</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000 size=4>So simple calculation
showed me that a bull dozer can destroy more in one hour that a man can dig in a
whole day. And the digging material usually gives it a chance for regrowth!
Dozing does not!</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000
size=4></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000 size=4>My point is, there are
no <U>laws</U> to cause "construction" to allow plant rescues before
"destroying" the whole environment! Neither are there incentives for those few
companies that do work to preserve as much of our natural landscape as possible.
There Should Be.</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000
size=4></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000 size=4>WE must be
heard. Again it comes down to US,the people, speaking up.... any way we
can... and it may start here in this little forum called the 'list serve'.
</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000
size=4></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=MingLiU color=#008000 size=4>Edward J.
Fletcher</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From: </B>Bob Beyfuss<BR><B>Sent:
</B>1/3/2008 4:22 PM<BR><B>To: </B>cafesombra@aol.com;
MPWG@lists.plantconservation.org<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [MPWG] addendum Re:
Saving Plants That Save Lives<BR><BR><BR>Laws don't protect plants, in fact
laws protecting plants that are completely unenforceable, as most plant laws
are, only serve to make the plants more valuable and do far more harm than
good. Where is the evidence that any law protecting any commercially used
plant has actually accomplished that goal? People who nurture and
use plants protect them far more than any laws. <BR><BR><BR>At 03:55 PM
1/3/2008, cafesombra@aol.com wrote:<BR><BR>
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<DD>It's a crime that saving the plants that save lives is a voluntary
act, if you think you might want to, and allowing unrestricted trade of
unsustainable ingredients is protected by law.<BR><BR></DD></DL>Before
anyone criticizes this sentence, yes there are laws protecting plants.
Not enough, and not well enforced. <BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: cafesombra@aol.com<BR>To:
MPWG@lists.plantconservation.org<BR>Sent: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 3:45
pm<BR>Subject: Re: Saving Plants That Save
Lives<BR><BR>Hello,<BR>"Unsustainable collection practices" (which we've
been blaming for years now) may be threatening / endangering plants.
But what causes unsustainable collection? Why are people pulling too
many plants out of the wild without implementing appropriate replanting
and/or protection measures? Could it be that unsustainable contracting
for commercial ingredients is the culprit? Business people,
especially the big users (I would say "players," if creating a sustainable
future were a game</I>) can point the finger at collectors 'til the cowslip
comes home. But business people are the ones paying the
collectors. Now that distribution and product placement make it
difficult if not impossible for all but the bigger players to get into the
commerce game, we can no longer say that consumers demand it so, let's
supply what the people want. Consumers wander down the aisles choosing
from amongst what is there, and if one product disappears and an! other
replaces it, they still choose from what's there. They still tend to
choose what is placed right in front of their faces, as all informed
business people know. Imagine a world where no one can find any
non-organic products except by shunning the stores and going to their local
chemical factory farms to support the local underdogs. It's not going to do
your company any good to "give the people what they want" if the environment
is ruined and the source runs out in the process -- unless you are in it for
the quick return rather than the long haul.<BR>I may be preaching to the
choir, assuming that signing up for an email list affirms one's commitment
to a sustainable future. So, if everyone on this list is already
perfect, how do we reach those who do not voluntarily choose to do the right
thing? Because that is what we need to do. It's a crime that
saving the plants that save lives is a voluntary act, if you think you might
want to, and allowing unrestricted trade of unsustainable ingredients is
protected by law.<BR>Jennifer <A
href="http://www.herbalistswithoutborders.org">www.herbalistswithoutborders.org</A>
<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Olivia Kwong <<A
href="mailto:plant@plantconservation.org">
plant@plantconservation.org</A>><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org">mpwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR>Sent:
Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:53 am<BR>Subject: [MPWG] NEWS: Saving Plants That Save
Lives<BR><BR><BR><TT><A
href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080101202622.htm">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080101202622.htm</A><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Saving
Plants That Save Lives<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>ScienceDaily (Jan. 1,
2008) - Poor or non-existent collection controls are
<BR><BR><BR><BR>threatening the survival of many of the plant species used
in traditional <BR><BR><BR><BR>and modern medicines. Some estimates indicate
that 15,000 of the 50,000 - <BR><BR><BR><BR>70,000 plant species used for
medicinal purposes and mostly collected from <BR><BR><BR><BR>the wild may be
threatened, many as a direct result of unsustainable
<BR><BR><BR><BR>collection practices.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>See the
link above for the full
article.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR><BR><BR><BR>PCA's
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