[MPWG] In Twenty Years Chocolate Will Be A Rare Delicacy-breeding
RobertKrueger at ferris.edu
RobertKrueger at ferris.edu
Fri Nov 12 14:13:22 CST 2010
I respectfully disagree with your last paragraph and man's ability via
transgenic manipulation to 'build a better anything'. E. coli does not
normally produce human insulin yet without its capacity to produce it as
created via genetic transformation, millions of the world's diabetics
would be without the crucial human insulin necessary to keep them alive.
Let's not place all transformation into a 'bad' category. Transformative
manipulation of certain marine organisms may be necessary to produce
enough of their cancer combating compounds to save lives. Taxol was
generally thought to be a natural product produced by Taxus spp until
researchers found a fungus with the capacity to produce it and that fungus
was associated with the tree. So who's original gene was it? If we
subscribe to the theory of evolution, then today's gene products all came
from a common ancestral life form. All manipulation is not to be condoned
nor expected to be beneficial. Likewise, all is not to be forbidden and
depicted as bad. Would a plant based system of producing insulin be good
or bad? Good comes to mind since one must inject insulin in order to
derive its benefits. And what about selection of specific clones of Cacao
from cell cultures of the tree? Is this manipulative? Yes. Wrong? In my
opinion, no.
From: MoonBranch Botanicals <moonbranch at earthlink.net>
To: Jeanine_Davis at ncsu.edu
Cc: mpwg at lists.plantconservation.org
Date: 11/12/2010 02:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MPWG] In Twenty Years Chocolate Will Be A Rare
Delicacy-breeding
Sent by: mpwg-bounces at lists.plantconservation.org
This needn't be so complex, but obviously my point is not getting through
here. I could expand endlessly or choose to oversimplify here. Due to time
restraints, I will choose the latter.
I never intended to direct this toward plant (or animal) "breeders". The
operative here of course being the word "breeder".
According to Wiktionary:
Noun
breeder (plural breeders)
1. A person who breeds plants or animals professionally.
and
Verb
to breed (third-person singular simple present breeds, present participle
breeding, simple past and past participle bred)
1. To sexually produce offspring.
So, if the technique involved, either traditional or enhanced involves
"sexual" reproduction (as is infinitely possible in the natural world,
albeit generally within genera) and a transfer of genetic information in
the case of plants via pollen, that is one thing.
But the creation of new "transgenic" organisms by the transfer of genetic
material across naturally occurring boundaries of genera and even kingdoms
is quite another.
I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to get. Simply put and
according to me (and maybe only me) humans are part of a greater "whole"
and as part of the "whole" it is impossible to comprehend that "whole" in
its entirety. Again simply put, it is hard for me to believe that we have
the capabilities either physically or cognitively to "out-do" hundreds of
thousands of years of trial and error and the resulting evolution of
creation.
Make sense?
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Jeanine M. Davis" <Jeanine_Davis at ncsu.edu>
>Sent: Nov 12, 2010 1:02 PM
>To: MoonBranch Botanicals <moonbranch at earthlink.net>
>Cc: mpwg at lists.plantconservation.org
>Subject: Re: [MPWG] In Twenty Years Chocolate Will Be A Rare
Delicacy-breeding
>
>In defense of many plant breeders, Robin, I must interject that there are
>ways to breed new plants that are much faster than classical breeding but
>are not transgenic. Anther culture and the use of marker assisted
>breeding are just two examples. The tomato breeder I'm working with uses
>these techniques NOT to make money for himself or the university. He
does
>so to create tomato varieties with disease resistance so farmers can grow
>tomatoes with fewer pesticides and especially so organic farmers can grow
>tomatoes here in WNC. Where it might take 12 seasons to develop a new
>disease resistant tomato variety using classical breeding techniques, it
>may be done in 2-4 seasons with these other methods.
>
>Jeanine
>
>> I
>> think one needs to look no further than what has happened with
maize/corn
>> to determine the future path of where most plant genomic research
leads.
>> The following excerpt from:
>>
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2009-11/decoded-corn-genome-promises-higher-yields-better-bio-fuels-new-plastics
;
>> is most illustrative.<br><br><span style="color: rgb(204, 0,
0);">"Maize
>> actually underwent significant genetic alteration during the
>> domestication process thousands of years ago, with the early settlers
of
>> the Americas increasing the yield, altering ear geometry, and
>> augmenting the stalk strength through years of selective breeding. Now,
>> with the genome laid bare, scientists can accomplish the same level of
>> engineering in fractions of the time."</span><br><br>If the lack of
>> genetic diversity is handicapping small farmer production, then yes, by
>> all means, introduce diversity into that production. This of course can
>> easily be accomplished by the time honored horticultural practices of
>> selection and hybridization introducing germplasm sourced from "wild"
>> populations (apparently occurring in the Amazon Basin) into that
>> production.<br><br>In this day and age however, I'm afraid that the
>> inclination of most researchers is to follow the quicker, more
profitable
>> (for the researcher) and "patentable" path of transgenic manipulation.
>> Despite the claims of Mars, Inc. that the resulting findings will be
>> "public domain" history and the long trail of research dollars
generally
>> have led to the opposite, eventually. Of course, only time will
>> tell.....<br><br><br><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left:
>> 0px; border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 255);">-----Original Message-----
>> <br>From: Jennifer Chesworth <cafesombra at gmail.com>
>> <br>Sent: Nov 12, 2010 11:51 AM
>> <br>To: mpwg at lists.plantconservation.org
>> <br>Subject: Re: [MPWG] In Twenty Years Chocolate Will Be A Rare
Delicacy
>>
>> <br><br>Jean, in the case of cacao you are mistaken. Several
years
>> ago,
>> chocolate manufacturers experienced a crisis when they discovered the
>> stock of almost ALL global plantations (and small holdings) of cacao
>> were descended from the seed of a single cacao plant brought to
>> Martinique by the French in 1660. All plantations were similarly
>> resilient or not to any number of diseases, and a single plague could
>> devastate the entire industry. "Maintaining resilience" of cacao
>> requires tissue culture, something most small holders cannot achieve on
>> their own.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at
>> 11:47 AM, Jennifer Chesworth <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank"
>> href="mailto:cafesombra at gmail.com">cafesombra at gmail.com</a>></span>
>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
>> 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
>> <br><div><div class="h5">
>> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Jean
>> Giblette <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hfg at capital.net"
>> target="_blank">hfg at capital.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote
>> class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px
>> solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
>>
>> <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">
>> <div>Thanks, Robin.</div><div><br></div>Quoted from the Independent
>> article:<div><br></div><div>"<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);
>> font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px;">Despite price rises on the
trading
>> floor, precious little reaches the smallholders who make up 95 per cent
of
>> growers, according to Mr. Lass, a former Cadburys trader and ethical
>> sourcing advisor who has co-authored a book on the cocoa
>> industry.</span><p style="margin: 0px 0px 10px; line-height: 11px;">
>>
>> <font style="font: 12px Verdana; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"
color="#333333"
>> face="Verdana" size="3">"These smallholders earn just 80 cents a day,"
he
>> says. "So there is no incentive to replant trees when they die off, and
to
>> wait up to five years for a new crop, and no younger generation around
to
>> do the replanting."</font></p>
>>
>> <div><div>Note the main thrust of these articles, which is to celebrate
>> the genome sequencing in hopes that a genetic engineering "solution"
will
>> be found, when all we have to do is incentivize the farmers to replant
on
>> a regular basis and to maintain/enhance the resilience of the small
>> holdings.</div>
>>
>> <div><br></div><div>These articles portray the microcosm of what's
wrong
>> with medicinal plant production worldwide: the growers are
neither
>> adequately compensated nor rewarded for good stewardship. At the
>> same time, industrial ag (including its ultimate manifestation, genetic
>> engineering) displaces the growers. These dynamics are based on
>> social constructs, and social constructs can be revised.</div>
>>
>> <div><br></div><div>Meanwhile, Mother Nature is waiting to reward us
with
>> chocolate and all the abundance of the fertile earth. All we have
to
>> do is follow her lead and cooperate with her. Why is this so hard
>> for us to understand?</div>
>>
>> <div><br></div><div>Jean</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Nov
>> 12, 2010, at 10:50 AM, MoonBranch Botanicals
wrote:</div><br><blockquote
>> type="cite"><div style="margin: 0px;">Chocolate Black Hole; Chocolate
>> consumption is increasing faster than production, meaning the future
will
>> probably be less chocolaty....</div>
>>
>> <div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div
style="margin:
>> 0px;"><a
>> href="
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-11/future-chocolate-will-be-rare-delicacy-analysts-say
"
>> target="_blank">
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-11/future-chocolate-will-be-rare-delicacy-analysts-say
</a></div>
>>
>> <div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div
style="margin:
>> 0px;"><a
>> href="
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/features/chocolate-worth-its-weight-in-gold-2127874.html
"
>> target="_blank">
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/features/chocolate-worth-its-weight-in-gold-2127874.html
</a></div>
>>
>> <div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br></div><div
style="margin:
>> 0px;"><a
>> href="
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-09/sweet-breakthrough-scientists-led-candy-company-sequence-chocolate-genome
"
>> target="_blank">
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-09/sweet-breakthrough-scientists-led-candy-company-sequence-chocolate-genome
</a></div>
>>
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