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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yeah, but in any case, two pots do not a
"greenhouse experiment" make. Beyfuss' point, however, should not be lost on
those contemplating a successful career in ecosystem restoration--greenhouse
experiments, with very few, very narrow exceptions, demonstrate nothing
about the ecosystems from which the organisms were ripped; worse, they can be
terribly misleading. Even in those few possible cases, the "results" gained tend
to be irrelevant. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WT</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rlb14@cornell.edu href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu">Robert Layton
Beyfuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=craig@astreet.com
href="mailto:craig@astreet.com">craig@astreet.com</A> ; <A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
; <A title=craig@ecoseeds.com
href="mailto:craig@ecoseeds.com">craig@ecoseeds.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 13, 2013 5:52
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] What caused surprise
results in Poppy Project, where seedlings all died?</DIV>
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<P>Hi Craig</P>
<P>Putting soil in pots changes the entire ecology of the experiment. I hate
it when people do pot studies on plants that are growing in natural settings
and try to extrapolate that data into the real world. Your plants most likely
died from damping off, a common complex of fungal pathogens that is most
virulent in containers and much less so in the real world. </P>
<P>Bob</P>
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size=2><B>From:</B> APWG [apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] on behalf
of <A href="mailto:craig@astreet.com">craig@astreet.com</A>
[craig@astreet.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:41
PM<BR><B>To:</B> apwg@lists.plantconservation.org;
craig@ecoseeds.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [APWG] What caused surprise results in
Poppy Project, where seedlings all died?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P>Dear All,</P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">From
my Poppy Project in Palo Alto, California, (Google = Poppy
Project+Arastradero) I took soil samples from under the poppies where
they had been shedding seeds this summer from locations 10 feet apart, and put
the soil into 4 inch plastic pots. </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> I
watered the pots and within a few weeks, had a lush growth of poppy seedlings
in both pots. Both pots were side-by-side evenly watered and neither
were fertilized. </DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">However,
within a month, every single poppy seedling in one pot died, and you can see a
picture of both pots at http://www.ecoseeds.com/what-difference.jpg.
</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">These
pot-tests of checking soil samples from the future revegetation sites have
become the standard for Caltrans for their projects, ever since I taught them
classes on the use of native plants 13 years ago, to discover and correct this
problem.</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">This
is the second time I have encountered this very important issue in such a
dramatic way that is often overlooked, when trying to get native plants
established here in the West---so any guesses of what the difference was?
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<DIV
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Sincerely,
Craig Dremann (650) 325-7333</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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