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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There's no basis for such an assumption.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WT</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=w.nagle@auckland.ac.nz href="mailto:w.nagle@auckland.ac.nz">Bill
Nagle</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=landrest@cox.net
href="mailto:landrest@cox.net">Wayne Tyson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 05, 2013 8:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [APWG] Heavy use of
herbicide Roundup linked to health dangers:study</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black">Probably what
the contractor had in the tank before s/he sprayed your plots with
glyphosate?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black">Bill<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> APWG
[mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Wayne
Tyson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 4 May 2013 10:11 a.m.<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [APWG] Heavy use of herbicide Roundup linked to health dangers:
study<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">All:</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I had a case about
fifteen years ago where a contractor sprayed a part of the (ecosystem
restoration) project that was particularly weedy with a glyphosate
compound against my expressed orders to spray nothing. The idea was to
germinate the seeds, then kill the plants before they set seed. </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The weeds were
killed, and after the period specified by the manufacturer had passed, the
area was seeded with indigenous species. The indigenous species germinated
everywhere but where the contractor had sprayed, but we got only more weeds in
that area.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The manufacturer's
representative went into denial; I got no help from them except to repeat the
claim that the herbicide "biodegraded" into harmless components. </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Can anyone shed
light on this? </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">WT</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">----- Original
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov
href="mailto:Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov">Maze, Dominic</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=genafleming@gmail.com href="mailto:genafleming@gmail.com">Gena
Fleming</A> ; <A title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
; <A title=rferriel@blm.org
href="mailto:rferriel@blm.org">rferriel@blm.org</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:07 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[APWG] Heavy use of herbicide Roundup linked to health dangers:
study<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Some
excellent points, Gena,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
I’ll try, with limited time, to address a bit of your thoughtful
comments:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
GF: “</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">I see this idea implied
a lot, that limiting the variable should somehow limit the
effects. I'm not aware of any actual support of that in reality.
Glyphosate or any other single chemical compound may not be complex, but
when they interact with biological systems, the effects can become quite
diversified and complex. This is a function of the complexity of
biological systems, not the complexity of the chemical
compound.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I am
unsure of how you received this “implied” from what I wrote (then again, I’m
not the best at expressing my thoughts); but I’ll bite and attempt to defend
a point I wasn’t really making. I think what I (and some others) have tried
to point out that glyphosate HAS been studied; seemingly to death.
These previous studies; direct, toxicological studies (in marked
contrast to this admittedly indirect study); have examined the effects of
glyphosate at many concentrations and dosages (“the dose makes the poison”).
I strongly disagree with your second sentence in the above paragraph
and whole-heartedly agree with the third. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
GF:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'"> That
being said, glyphosate is used in formulations, not in isolation.
There is a lack of data for the formulations, because manufacturers are not
required to disclose "inactive ingredients". It is, however, well
recognized that adjuvants can and do increase the toxicity and
persistence of pesticide formulations, and this is the reason that they
are there in the first place. </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
I again agree, but the paper we’re discussing is citing research examining
the effects of not Roundup, or Aquamaster, or product X, but the chemical
glyphosate.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
GF: “</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">It is
interesting to note that the article appeared in a special edition of
Entropy called "Biosemiotic Entropy: Disorder, Disease and
Mortality". Biosemiosis introduces a significant paradigm
shift in our perception of biologic function. This perspective
may not embraced by all, but I consider it a noble attempt to address the
complexity of biological systems. In any event, I believe the
article deserves more thoughtful consideration than that offered by
Tamar Haspel in the Huffington Post.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US>”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Fair
points for the most part; however, I’m not sure how much consideration the
article <I>does</I> deserve. As organic chemist Derek Lowe has stated
so much better than I: </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US>Their thesis is that the
compound is an inhibitor of the metabolizing CYP enzymes, of the
biosynthesis of aromatic amino acids by gut bacteria, and of sulfate
transport. But the evidence given for these assertions, and their connection
with disease, while it might look alarming and convincing to someone who has
never done research or read a scientific paper, is a spiderweb of "might",
"could", "is possibly", "associated with", and so on. The minute you look at
the actual evidence, things disappear.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><A
href="http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2013/04/30/is_glyphosate_poisoning_everyone.php">http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2013/04/30/is_glyphosate_poisoning_everyone.php</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">He
then, after providing more critiques, goes on to disparage the actual
journal the article appears in and others have taken issue with the authors,
themselves; not really adding to the discussion, in my
opinion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
shouldn’t have to say it but I personally dislike the rampant use of
herbicides in our society. I employ them, reluctantly, as part of my
job duties and I’ve seen some others resorting to them as a first resort,
instead of last, in contradiction of most accepted IPM practices.
There are plenty of reasons to limit the use of herbicides in society: weed
resistance, non-target effects, the resources required in
manufacture/transport, animal testing,<I> actual</I> toxic effects of some
formulations, etc. But this poorly written and conceived “study”
smacks of fear-mongering with an agenda. The blowback from those
established authors in the fields of organic chemistry and toxicology has
begun, and surely won’t assist those looking for an overall decrease in the
use of herbicides.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Best
wishes,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><STRONG><SPAN lang=EN-US
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</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="COLOR: gray"><A
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Gena
Fleming [<A
href="mailto:genafleming@gmail.com">mailto:genafleming@gmail.com</A>]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Maze,
Dominic; <A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>;
<A href="mailto:rferriel@blm.org">rferriel@blm.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [APWG] Heavy use of herbicide Roundup linked to health dangers:
study</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">This is a interesting article and I
appreciate learning about it here on APWG. I was confused by the
comments at first, thinking it was posted on an environmental health
listserve I subscribe to. My comments below.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">Dominic Maze wrote:</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=EN-US style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">The fact
that this paper identifies a whole range of medical issues linked to
(presumably) one active ingredient makes me suspicious; it would seem to
be much more realistic that a study on the potential ill-effects of an
already rigorously studied, very well-known and contentious chemical and
product, would turn up perhaps a single significant linkage between
ill-health and glyphosate.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">GF: <SPAN
style="COLOR: black">I see this idea implied a lot, that limiting the
variable should somehow limit the effects. I'm not aware of any
actual support of that in reality. Glyphosate or any other single
chemical compound may not be complex, but when they interact with biological
systems, the effects can become quite diversified and complex. This is
a function of the complexity of biological systems, not the complexity of
the chemical compound.</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">That being said, glyphosate is used
in formulations, not in isolation. There is a lack of data for the
formulations, because manufacturers are not required to disclose "inactive
ingredients". It is, however, well recognized that adjuvants can and
do increase the toxicity and persistence of pesticide
formulations, and this is the reason that they are there in the first
place. This, along with other factors, contributes to a contextual
bias that makes it difficult to assess the full toxicity of pesticide
formulations.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">DM: A colleague
sent this link to a Huffington Post article (not exactly known for being
journalistic shills for big business) which makes a nice
rebuttal:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamar-haspel/condemning-monsanto-with-_b_3162694.html"
target=_blank>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamar-haspel/condemning-monsanto-with-_b_3162694.html</A></SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal
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lang=EN-US style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">I guess the
real question is how does such a poorly executed study and paper get
published in a well-respected, even if not impactful, journal?</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">GF: Marc, I'm not sure what it
is about Tamar Haspel's opinion piece that you consider to be a nice
rebuttal. She explains that she googles "exogenous semiotic entropy",
retrieves that exact sequence of words only in this article, and concludes
the authors made the whole thing up. (???) </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">I
agree with you that there is no reason to suspect the writer is a shill for
big business, just a person with an opinion, which she is entitled to.
However, I do not find her analysis of this article to be particularly
insightful.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">Here is a link to the referenced
article in Entropy:</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'"> <A
href="http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/4/1416"
target=_blank>http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/4/1416</A></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">It is interesting to note that the
article appeared in a special edition of Entropy called "Biosemiotic
Entropy: Disorder, Disease and Mortality".
Biosemiosis introduces a significant paradigm shift in our perception
of biologic function. This perspective may not embraced by all,
but I consider it a noble attempt to address the complexity of biological
systems. In any event, I believe the article deserves more
thoughtful consideration than that offered by Tamar Haspel in the
Huffington Post.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Georgia','serif'">best regards,</SPAN><SPAN
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