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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>TH, RLB, and APWG:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Yes, but I should plug in another too sense
concerning what I have called "the virgin effect." That is, I have seen cases
again and again where someone utterly new to the question comes up with an
insight that those of us who should have known, were we actually as "wise" as we
thought. The problem arises from a phenomenon with which I have been infected
that I call "the myopia of proximity." The closer one gets, or the more familiar
one becomes, the less one sees, especially away from the statistical mean. I
don't mean to be mean, but dag-nabbit, presumption is EVIL. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>So I want to ENCOURAGE so-called "non-"
professionals to join with us and speak up. (And, I want all the god-like
narcissistic types to leave the nonprofessionals alone--ESPECIALLY STUDENTS!).
Students are actually afraid to ask question, pose issues, or participate in
discussions for fear that some "advisor" or person on their committee, will get
wind of it, or a whole school of nasty, competitive little piranhas will
nit-pick them to pieces and spread them all over the so-called "social" media or
worse. Such people need to know that there are those of us who will not think
ill of them for "being wrong" (I am wrong many times per day), and we have to
help them survive the nasty gauntlet called "education" in any way we can.
</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>On the other hand, one mustn't forget the details,
even (especially?) the microscopic ones, even the sub-microscopic. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Ignorance is the portal to discovery. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>WT</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><FONT
size=4><B>From:</B> </FONT><A title=tyju@xmission.com
href="mailto:tyju@xmission.com"><FONT size=4>Ty Harrison</FONT></A><FONT
size=4> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=4><B>To:</B> </FONT><A
title=landrest@cox.net href="mailto:landrest@cox.net"><FONT size=4>Wayne
Tyson</FONT></A><FONT size=4> ; </FONT><A title=rlb14@cornell.edu
href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu"><FONT size=4>Robert Layton
Beyfuss</FONT></A><FONT size=4> ; </FONT><A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"><FONT
size=4>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</FONT></A><FONT size=4> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=4><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 07,
2012 1:07 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=4><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] re what
we know</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Regarding Wayne Tyson's plea for, dare I say,
"ecological wisdom", I whole heartedly agree. I have found that to
truely understand the functioning of any local ecological system you need to
live in it and study it carefully for 10 to 15 years and have the broad
background (knowledge) about what organisms are there (seen and unseen), and
how they interact between them selves and their abiotic environment.
This wisdom does not come cheaply, and should alway be accompanied by a big
dose of humility about the things we still do not understand. Ty
Harrison</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><FONT
size=4><B>From:</B> </FONT><A title=landrest@cox.net
href="mailto:landrest@cox.net"><FONT size=4>Wayne Tyson</FONT></A><FONT
size=4> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=4><B>To:</B> </FONT><A
title=rlb14@cornell.edu href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu"><FONT size=4>Robert
Layton Beyfuss</FONT></A><FONT size=4> ; </FONT><A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"><FONT
size=4>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</FONT></A><FONT size=4>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=4><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 07,
2012 12:00 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=4><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] re
what we know</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>RLB and all:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Einstein also is credited with saying something
to the effect that everything should be [made] as simple as possible, but no
simpler. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>The way I think about this subject is that
knowledge is no substitute for understanding. In other words, just knowing
something does not mean that one understands it, therefore "the pursuit of
knowledge" should be "the pursuit of understanding." I like a statement I
heard some time ago but don't remember the author: "If you can't explain it
to your (grandmother, neighbor) you don't know enough about it--in other
words understanding can't be "transferred" like knowledge can; it must be
gained by a long personal involvement with the subject. Even then, certain
knowledge is the kiss of death to the intellect. Everybody must "get theirs"
the hard way, from the bottom up. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>WT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>PS: "The most important thing to know is what
you don't know." --Margaret Mead</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>"The worst kinda ignerance ain't s' much not
knowin' as 'tis knowin' s' much that ain't so." --Henry Wheeler
Shaw</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><FONT
size=4><B>From:</B> </FONT><A title=rlb14@cornell.edu
href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu"><FONT size=4>Robert Layton
Beyfuss</FONT></A><FONT size=4> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=4><B>To:</B> </FONT><A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"><FONT
size=4>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</FONT></A><FONT size=4>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=4><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 06,
2012 11:47 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT size=4><B>Subject:</B> [APWG] re what
we know</FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT size=4>“The true sign of intelligence is not
knowledge but imagination” – Albert
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