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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Y'all:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sounds like Harrison et al are doing useful work.
Riparian sites are, of course, widely thought to be points of origin for many
weedy species; they are Nature's equivalent to bulldozing, with their flood and
debris flows (except, perhaps, for many reaches of dammed-up rivers). "Flood
control" is one of the major factors in the spread of exotic species such as
"saltcedar," and I have long suggested that lack of cyclical flooding is largely
responsible for that species developing monotypic stands to the exclusion of
other riparian species with which numerous indigenous species evolved. I am
particularly in agreement with the introduction of indigenous species, and while
I am less enthusiastic about "removing" invasive non-natives because of a long
history of seeing "bashing" fail following the initial viscerally-satisfying
post-removal stage. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm especially delighted to hear that overgrazed
pastures are being restored. In many riparian areas the margins/transition
zones/ecotones in particular are well-suited to indigenous grass/forb understory
vegetation that can significantly boost its wildlife value, a not insignificant
factor in the Utah economy. By "interplanting" truly riparian species, I would
not be surprised if you end up beating the 25-year "mark," however, depending
upon what the "standard" is. Some standards are vague and highly arbitrary, and
some measures, like "cover" are seldom good indicators of project success. One
might ask why "canopy closure" has value, especially over diversity and
heterogeneity, as an indicator. In my experience, the biggest problem with
riparian "restoration" IS "canopy closure." Here in Southern California, for
example, the quickest way to achieve "cover" and "canopy closure" is to plant
the initial indigenous "pioneer" species, arroyo willow, which will quickly
"cover" large areas with a monotypic stand. In my projects, I have learned to
turn the entire secondary succession "suite" of species on its head. This, of
course, slows the perceived "rate" of development down quite a bit--exactly what
is needed to produce a diverse species assemblage. Even so, even with initially
diverse assemblages, gaining and maintaining diversity and heterogeneity is much
more difficult than getting "quick cover." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I know what you mean, Ty, that "Sometimes all we
can hope to do is tip the balance . . ." (although I might modify that to read
"tip the imbalance), but actually we can do better, if we design and manage with
diversity/heterogeneity/ecological relevance as our predictable goal.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was up in the Wasatch Front a few years ago, as I
usually travel around the Intermountain West somewhere every fall; if I knew
where the projects were, I might have a look sometime. We are heading to
Northern California in October, and might end up over that way later; I want to
go through the Feather River country where I used to work for the Forest
Service, then up through Black Rock, then easterly, just wandering around.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tyju@xmission.com href="mailto:tyju@xmission.com">Ty Harrison</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=landrest@cox.net
href="mailto:landrest@cox.net">Wayne Tyson</A> ; <A title=ialm@erols.com
href="mailto:ialm@erols.com">Marc Imlay</A> ; <A title=rlb14@cornell.edu
href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu">'Robert Layton Beyfuss'</A> ; <A
title=gino.graziano@alaska.gov
href="mailto:gino.graziano@alaska.gov">'Graziano, Gino A (DNR)'</A> ; <A
title=genafleming@gmail.com href="mailto:genafleming@gmail.com">'Gena
Fleming'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:27
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] Terminology still
unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne et al.: There is a degree of hubris
that accompanies true ecosystem restoration efforts. I agree minimizing
disturbance is of prime importance. Sometimes all we can hope to do is
tip the balance by removing or minimizing invasive non-natives
and fostering or re-introducing the ecologically dominant
native species. My work here in Utah over the last 15
years involves woody riparian restoration for neotropical migrant birds
on a local river floodplain. We have successfully used a whole suite of
common native trees and shrubs to restore willife habitat on old, overgrazed
pastures invaded by Tamarisk and Russian Olive, in addtion to a plethora of
non-native weeds. I think this "hurry up" apporach to secondary
succession will take up to 25 years, depending on canopy closure, to
achieve proper ecosystem function, and that is highly optimistic
guess. Regards to all, Ty Harrison</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=landrest@cox.net href="mailto:landrest@cox.net">Wayne Tyson</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=tyju@xmission.com
href="mailto:tyju@xmission.com">Ty Harrison</A> ; <A title=ialm@erols.com
href="mailto:ialm@erols.com">Marc Imlay</A> ; <A title=rlb14@cornell.edu
href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu">'Robert Layton Beyfuss'</A> ; <A
title=gino.graziano@alaska.gov
href="mailto:gino.graziano@alaska.gov">'Graziano, Gino A (DNR)'</A> ; <A
title=genafleming@gmail.com href="mailto:genafleming@gmail.com">'Gena
Fleming'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 29, 2011 11:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] Terminology still
unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ty et al: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Speaking of being picky about terms, I am so
radical that I have long campaigned for minimizing disturbance in the first
place, modifying rather than replacing indigenous ecosystems, and restoring
functioning ecosystems (self-sufficient, self-perpetuating) rather than
"landscaping with native plants." The reason for this has more with
promoting a true understanding of ecosystems and dealing with them in a way
that does not needlessly waste biological and other resources. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is a HUGE difference between ecosystem
restoration and management and "landscaping with native plants" and their
"maintenance. I suspect that there are some people, perhaps a significant
number, who are not aware of the crucial differences between the two, but I
have no way of knowing for sure. I have, in the past, always presumed that
most people did, in fact, understand the difference, but over the years
I have grown increasingly less confident that this is the case.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>PS: I will comment separately on the B.
tectorum issue. You, Ty, are probably also aware that, rare though San Diego
area canyon biological associations are, the "mesa" ones are practically
extinct and no one seems to care. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=tyju@xmission.com href="mailto:tyju@xmission.com">Ty Harrison</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=landrest@cox.net
href="mailto:landrest@cox.net">Wayne Tyson</A> ; <A title=ialm@erols.com
href="mailto:ialm@erols.com">Marc Imlay</A> ; <A title=rlb14@cornell.edu
href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu">'Robert Layton Beyfuss'</A> ; <A
title=gino.graziano@alaska.gov
href="mailto:gino.graziano@alaska.gov">'Graziano, Gino A (DNR)'</A> ; <A
title=genafleming@gmail.com href="mailto:genafleming@gmail.com">'Gena
Fleming'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] Terminology still
unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne et al.: I likewise comiserate
with those of us who see the value in regional native plant landscaping to
avoid the pitfalls of exotic landscape species escaping. I've seen
the native chaparral ravine flora of San Diego essentially destroyed, and
am now seeing the same thing happening in the native oak foothill
vegetation along the Wasatch Front here in Utah where I live.
Unfortunately there is evidence from the Bromus tectorum invasion here in
the West, that these invading species have evolved rapidly
and genetically to become adapted to the local climates.
Apparently, like the poor, they will be with us forever. Ty
Harrison</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=landrest@cox.net href="mailto:landrest@cox.net">Wayne Tyson</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ialm@erols.com
href="mailto:ialm@erols.com">Marc Imlay</A> ; <A title=rlb14@cornell.edu
href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu">'Robert Layton Beyfuss'</A> ; <A
title=gino.graziano@alaska.gov
href="mailto:gino.graziano@alaska.gov">'Graziano, Gino A (DNR)'</A> ; <A
title=genafleming@gmail.com href="mailto:genafleming@gmail.com">'Gena
Fleming'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:39
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] Terminology
still unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Friends and cyberneighbors:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One way of helping stem the perilous tide
of unwanted plant immigrants is to select those which cannot reproduce,
preferably on the continent, but certainly in the region to which it is
introduced. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Long have I labored in vain to
convince landscape architects that they should at least consider an
indigenous species first with respect to function (better adapted,
therefore so easy to grow that it needs no cultivation). But on the
other hand, if an exotic plant is to be introduced, let it be one so
severely maladapted that it cannot reproduce. At least avoid those which
come from a similar ecosystem, which are more likely to find local (or
perhaps continental) conditions so salubrious that they will run
rampant, trampling out the vintage and little children across this Great
Land. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>WT</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ialm@erols.com href="mailto:ialm@erols.com">Marc Imlay</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rlb14@cornell.edu
href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu">'Robert Layton Beyfuss'</A> ; <A
title=gino.graziano@alaska.gov
href="mailto:gino.graziano@alaska.gov">'Graziano, Gino A (DNR)'</A> ;
<A title=genafleming@gmail.com
href="mailto:genafleming@gmail.com">'Gena Fleming'</A> ; <A
title=landrest@cox.net href="mailto:landrest@cox.net">'Wayne
Tyson'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 28, 2011
2:26 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [APWG] Terminology
still unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=625581909-28072011><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><STRONG>Just a clarification. Not including
exotic plants in publicly funded projects should not increase tax
dollars since there are plenty of native plants that can be used.
Marc</STRONG></FONT></SPAN>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
[mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Robert Layton Beyfuss<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 25, 2011 5:32
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Graziano, Gino A (DNR); Gena Fleming; Wayne
Tyson<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re:
Jewelweed<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=WordSection1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hi
All<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">As
long as the term “invasive” is restricted to place of
origin as in the Presidential E.O. definition </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“an
alien species* whose introduction does or is likely to cause economic
or environmental harm or harm to human health.” </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #4f81bd; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">and
requires an asterisk * to further define that cryptic term, many
people will equate exotic or alien with invasive and will make stupid
decisions based on that misunderstanding. Here in NY state we
have executive orders on several levels of state government banning
all “exotic” plants in publicly funded projects, not invasive exotic
plants, but ALL exotic plants. Currently there is a grant i.e. a
publicly funded project underway in parts of NY City to remove all
exotic species in a particular area that includes parts of Brooklyn
and Manhattan, regardless of their reproductive status or whether or
not they are weeds and replace them with native plants. This is a
serious and needless waste of my tax dollars and an infringement on my
rights as a citizen to enjoy plants that cause no harm but are
condemned because of their country of origin. We have state funded
swat teams travelling around NY now spraying herbicide on Giant
Hogweed at a cost of 1 million $ with zero chance of eradicating it or
even seriously slowing its spread. I would much rather see the money
spent on studies that are trying to understand why these plants are
spreading but the money is there to kill and not to understand why.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #4f81bd; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
think most people on this list serve realize that the terms alien or
exotic mean from a different ecosystem than the one they are
introduced into and not just a different country but most laypeople
will not. This is the fundamental flaw of invasion biology as a
science and what has provoked backlash, as in the article in
discussion. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #4f81bd; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Bob</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #4f81bd; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org
[mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Graziano, Gino A (DNR)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 21, 2011
4:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Gena Fleming; Wayne Tyson<BR><B>Cc:</B>
apwg@lists.plantconservation.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG]
Terminology still unresolved? Re:
Jewelweed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Re: "I
presume that everyone has actually read the recent Davis, et al
paper?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I read the article,
heard him talk on Science Friday, and read the transcript of the
program. I found the article and interview to be timely, however
largely and disturbingly an incomplete account of how invasive species
managers are making decisions. First though, I will commend the
efforts of the authors because there are many individuals and land
managers that do not take the time to critically evaluate the best
available information and manage “invasive” species based on nativity
instead of real threat to resources. I also agree that a lot of
the language used to describe invasive species lends to public and
land manager bias to non-native species in general. Both of
these issues are real and are counterproductive to natural resource
management.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>As a state coordinator of invasive species
management in Alaska, I regularly discuss the need to focus on those
few species that are really problematic and not just any species based
on nativity alone. The concept of only a few problematic species is
not new and was brought up by Williams in his 1996 book “Biological
Invasions” where he presented the “Tens rule” (you all know that
though). Focus on true problems, is increasingly becoming the
norm as many regions of the world are developing invasiveness ranking
systems that seek to clarify which species are ecosystem changers and
which are simply persistent in habitats that we (humans) develop (e.g.
roadsides, gravel pits, air strips etc.). The ranking system
Alaska uses is found at <A
href="http://aknhp.uaa.alaska.edu/botany/akepic/non-native-plant-species-biographies/">http://aknhp.uaa.alaska.edu/botany/akepic/non-native-plant-species-biographies/</A>.
No ranking alone is the guiding decision tool and the authors of
Alaska’s acknowledge that management/regulatory action still requires
more insight into economic, social and environmental interactions a
species has in an area.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>So, I ask why are ranking systems not brought up in
the Davis article? If they don’t work, Davis and others should
let us all know. Why are ABC lists and their creation by boards
with review by the public not discussed? The comment paper, is
an opinion that needs to be fleshed out into a real peer reviewed,
complete and unbiased article that evaluates invasive species
management, how species are prioritized for management, and what
efforts are a success, failure or waste of time. All this should
be in the context of the human as well as environmental need to adapt
to a changing world. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I believe we still have a long way to go in
achieving the best management strategies across the board. With all
due respect, to criticize management efforts while ignoring attempts
to improve management is at best incompetent. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>This is an important discussion that should
continue well beyond this listserve.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org
[mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Gena Fleming<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:07
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Wayne Tyson<BR><B>Cc:</B>
apwg@lists.plantconservation.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG]
Terminology still unresolved? Re:
Jewelweed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Hi
All:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Re: "I
presume that everyone has actually read the recent Davis, et al
paper?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I don't
think a link has been posted..... just in case, this will take you to
it:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/news/pdf/061411_deltredici_nature.pdf">http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/news/pdf/061411_deltredici_nature.pdf</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I'm really enjoying
this discussion. There is a lot of disinformation that can hide
behind outdated terminology. New terminology is a good
idea. But even still, one needs to stay on top of whatever
terminology one is are using, and think about what is really happening
in any given context.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I can already hear
promoters of biotechnology grabbing the "Don't judge species on their
origins" mantra to defend genetically engineered species.
This would be unfortunate, because the preoccupation with "non-native"
exotics, I feel, is partially to blame for genetically egineered
species being, for the most part, ignored by
conservationists. We have all these databases cropping up that
employ citizen scientists to report location of "non-native"
exotics. Meanwhile, genetically engineered organisms are granted
secret locations, and it is even claimed that insertion of foreign DNA
from a different genus doesn't really change the
species.....</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">This is also
related to microbiology being replaced by molecular biology..... and
biology being diverted by
biotechnology.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I hope we can soon
end this war agains nature and find a new consciousness to guide our
observation and interactions. As has already been said, this is
going to take good critical thinking skills because, of course, any
organism living in nature is transforming that environment,
"manipulating" it to a certain extent. But there needs to be a
more qualitative and nuanced understanding of what kind of
transformation we should be engaged in with our environment, one that
is mutually beneficial. That understanding will benefit from
terminology, but it will also need to be an ongoing exploratory
process, subject to open dialogue, criticism and review. Words,
like organisms, can mean one thing in one context, and quite another
in a new context.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">As for the current
definition of "invasive", I do not think any term should lump ecologic
impact with economic impact as a qualifying criteria. That's
just bad juju.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">It's late.
Not sure how convoluted this sounds, but that's my stream of
consciousness for now.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Anyway, I'm
enjoying reading the discussion ----
thanks</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">best,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Gena</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On 19 July 2011 18:14, Wayne Tyson <<A
href="mailto:landrest@cox.net">landrest@cox.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dominic
Maze, friends, and APWG:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dominic,
I mostly agree with your observations, but here is what I was
stimulated to write (it's more than colloquial; it's a
stream-of-consciousness first draft, far from acceptable for
publication).</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I do not
think that ecology is a "soft" doctrine as opposed to a <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">science, </SPAN></EM>as I
consider the heart of science to be the asking of questions about
Nature or "reality." I do think those who call themselves "ecologists"
worry too much about "standing" and not enough about just getting on
with the work and damn the torpedoes, the slings and arrows of
outrageous petulance by the egocentric. While I might agree with His
Pre-eminence’s (Rutherford's) comment about botany as taxonomy to some
degree (to the extent that some "botanists" DO seem to limit
themselves to pursuing taxonomic glory more than understanding of
Nature), but have no use for sniffy remarks like his in all contexts
(I don't know in what context he made the remark, but it seems
needlessly rude). </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">My
private position is "Screw the posturers!" Ignore such stuff. If one
is intimidated by physics, join the club (Einstein, Feynman). But
courage often consists of ignoring posturing (and Lordy knows we are
surrounded by such dick-heads.) Academia is drowning in Greek letters,
algorithms, and prissy, ill-founded jargon; what it needs, especially
ecology, is to drop the pretenses and the insecurities that give rise
to them, and get on with the work of understanding what makes Nature
tick. Botany is a helluva lot more than taxonomy. Arguing from
authority is a not-well-enough-known logical fallacy, and too much
discussion is colored with such divergent manipulation.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I didn't
even know what "ecology" meant when I started college in 1956, but I
had the good fortune to have Lee Haines as a professor; Haines was a
true man for all disciplines, and he taught botany and ecology
together, along with other disciplines as needed. I still use his
first lesson every day--he placed two Petri dishes before us, one with
some muck and a planarian, the other with agar and a bacterial
culture, some pipettes, saline solution, and some pennicilium
mold. He taught is how to key out plants, yes, but he also taught us
life zones, succession, and other useful knowledge. But most of all,
he taught us how to think (now known as "critical thinking"). We
camped out a lot, and sang around the campfire. Later professors had a
high standard to live up to, as did we students.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I did
turn to the Executive Order on Invasive Species, and I thought it to
be more political bunk than science. It specifically excluded humans
and their livestock and crops. Science requires honesty and that is
simply dishonesty. There would be no “invasive species” problem if it
weren’t for those exclusions. That’s an outrage.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I quite
agree with Maze that terms like “ruderal” and “healthy” need to be
clarified or eliminated, but someone has to come up with something
better, preferably a family of related terms that do not contradict
each other. I’m not so confident that “new terms will inevitably
arise.” I fear that the confusion will multiply as egocentricity
continues to reign, covering its doubtful tracks with obfuscation and
pseudo-intellectual fog. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I wasn’t
referring to <I>Impatiens capensis</I>; I meant to call for clarity of
communication, however, far beyond “peers.” (I do, however, thank
Vanderploeg for stimulating my question.) A major problem with the
anti-science, anti-intellectual fever in this country can be laid at
the feet of the academic “peerage.” Recent analysis of the Declaration
of Independence has revealed that Jefferson erased “subjects” and
wrote over it “citizens.” Unless there’s a good reason to do so,
terminology should not be reduced to academic jargon—it drives away
the curious, the amateur, yes, even the dilettante. These should be
embraced, not shunned. Just what do truly superior intellects
have to fear from the rabble--that they will climb up the
ivy? And they should know what the hell we’re talking about in
“colloquial” terms if possible, presuming clarity. But at
least "we" should know, eh? </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I look
forward to the definition of terms that can be widely
accepted as the standard for both colloquial (maybe a glossary?)
and scientifically acceptable terms. (And oh, while you're about it,
how about a new term for "brush?") </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">WT</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">PS: I
presume that everyone has actually read the recent Davis, et al paper?
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">“I have
sworn eternal vigilance over every form of tyranny over the mind of
man.” –Thomas Jefferson</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">“The only
thing that interferes with my learning is my education.” –Albert
Einstein</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">“The
suspension of judgment is the highest exercise in intellectual
discipline.” –Raymond Gilmore</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov
href="mailto:Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Maze, Dominic</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=jrandall@email.unc.edu href="mailto:jrandall@email.unc.edu"
target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">'Randall, John
L'</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> ;
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=landrest@cox.net href="mailto:landrest@cox.net"
target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Wayne
Tyson</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> ;
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=wvanderploeg@ameritech.net
href="mailto:wvanderploeg@ameritech.net" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Wayne Vanderploeg</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> ;
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=katie@westernwatersheds.org
href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Katie Fite</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> ;
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
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</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:11 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> RE:
[APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
couldn’t agree more, Mr. Tyson, on the importance of using proper
(and well-defined) terminology in any sub-discipline of ecology.
After all, ecology itself has often been considered the “soft”
doctrine of the biological sciences, and any clarification and
standardization of terminology is welcome and necessary to
furthering effective research, communication, and “conservation”
(and increasing the relative standing of ecology as a discipline).
When considering ecology’s standing as a science, I am often
reminded of the pre-eminent physicist, Sir Ernest Rutherford’s
dismissive comment of turn of the (last)-century botany (and I
paraphrase), “Botany is fine; it is about as difficult a science as
stamp-collecting.” [ouch!]</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
I too, turn to the definition of invasive species posted below and
often point out that a species which escapes at a constricted scale
and doesn’t persist in the environment (displays low population
fitness) is not (to me) “invasive” (and I am reluctant to use term
even though it is part of my job title!). However, at what temporal
and spatial scales do we arbitrarily choose to demarcate as a
threshold for “invasive” or not? Defining populations as “r”
or “K” were once valuable in the budding discipline of population
biology and ecology; and while still taught in Universities, these
have similar limitations; just as the once useful definitions “apex”
or “healthy” (or even trying to fit population dynamics to a
Lotka-Voltera” model) do. These limitations create problems
such as your (common) distinction between “ruderal” and “healthy”
(does this mean that all “ruderal” systems are “unhealthy”?).
As a result, these terms and approaches fall from favor and
the supporting concepts evolve to better describe the wide range of
dynamics we observe and record. New terms will inevitably
arise.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">As
to <I>Impatiens capensis</I>: I’m not sure if your last two
sentences, “It appears that some believe there is no distinction. I
would appreciate any correction, definitions, or suggestions that
will bring discipline to communication about these subjects.” refers
to the present discussion about this species. If it does, I
would suggest reading the excellent Zika papers below. If it
doesn’t, and speaks to the larger issue of communication among
peers, then perhaps the lack of distinction stems from colloquial
discussions such as this one. Either way, your point is a very
important one that bears consideration and we would all be wise to
retain it.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Cheers,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
Randall, John L [mailto:<A href="mailto:jrandall@email.unc.edu"
target=_blank>jrandall@email.unc.edu</A>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,
July 19, 2011 12:22 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Wayne Tyson; Wayne Vanderploeg;
Maze, Dominic; Katie Fite; <A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re:
Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
always turn to the Executive Order on Invasive Species for my
“invasive species” definition, which is: “an alien species* whose
introduction does or is likely to cause economic or environmental
harm or harm to human health.” As for those plant species that
occur/specialize in disturbed areas – I generally call these either
native or alien weeds. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">(*”Alien
species" means, with respect to a particular ecosystem, any species,
including its seeds, eggs, spores, or other biological material
capable of propagating that species, that is not native to that
ecosystem.) </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Johnny
Randall</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<DIV
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
[mailto:<A href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Wayne Tyson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 19, 2011
2:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Wayne Vanderploeg; Maze, Dominic; Katie Fite;
<A href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
[APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re:
Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hello
all,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Is
there anyone who acknowledges (or would it be simpler to say "does
not acknowledge") that there is at least a
phenomenological difference between "alien" species that are
largely restricted to disturbed sites and those which "invade"
healthy ecosystems? </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
realize that some of the terminology used here is debatable too, and
such discussion are worth having, but it would appear, if "invasion
ecology" is to be taken seriously as a sub-discipline of ecology,
that clarity of terminology is vital to clear communication. Time
was, colonization referred to any movement of an organism into a
"new" location, plants (what about animals?) that were restricted to
disturbed areas were termed "ruderal," and "alien" organisms that
colonized healthy/undisturbed ecosystems were called "invasive."
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">It
appears that some believe there is no distinction. I would
appreciate any correction, definitions, or suggestions that will
bring discipline to communication about these subjects.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">WT</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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Original Message ----- </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=wvanderploeg@ameritech.net
href="mailto:wvanderploeg@ameritech.net" target=_blank>Wayne
Vanderploeg</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov
href="mailto:Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov" target=_blank>Maze,
Dominic</A> ; <A title=katie@westernwatersheds.org
href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org" target=_blank>Katie
Fite</A> ; <A title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:24 AM</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re:
[APWG] Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Hello All, <BR><BR>I don't usually make
comment to this group....I generally browse this list to see what
new issues are popping up. As a
biologist/ecologist/naturalist/land manager for 31 years in the
Chicago area with the Forest Preserve District of Cook County, I
have seen this plant come and go. Deer do browse it heavily
and tend to prefer it over most other plants. It does well
in disturbed areas where the soil is rich, moist and semi
shaded. I have always viewed it as sensitive plant that is
easily displaced by weeds and never thought of it as a problem
plant in the Chicago area. The fact that it is spreading
prolifically in other areas where it typically does not occur
could be a symptom of a bigger problem. I would expect it to
disappear when those problems are discovered and solved.
<BR><BR>Wayne Vanderploeg</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
"Maze, Dominic" <<A
href="mailto:Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov"
target=_blank>Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov</A>><BR><B>To:</B>
Katie Fite <<A href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org"
target=_blank>katie@westernwatersheds.org</A>>; "<A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>" <<A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>><BR><B>Sent:</B>
Tue, July 19, 2011 11:42:18 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG]
Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi
Katie et alia,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
<I>Impatiens capensis</I> is, in my experience, a problematic
species here west of the Cascade Range in the Pacific NW.
The densities of this sp. are pretty amazing with the
understory of riparian corridors often dominated by it. I’ve
been seeing more and more of it in the Willamette Valley and
surrounding ranges here in Oregon with seemingly little attention
paid to it.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
Interestingly, some land managers still consider this species
native here on the West Coast, probably due to confusion with our
native, <I>I. ecalcarata</I> in some older floras and field
guides. Ed Alverson of TNC wrote a short comment in reply to
a posting on <I>I. capensis</I> at the Botany Photo of the Day
website:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow','sans-serif'">“Impatiens
capensis is an introduced and invasive species in the Pacific
Northwest , west of the Cascades. Peter Zika addressed this issue
in a 2006 paper, "The status of Impatiens capensis (Balsaminaceae)
on the<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow','sans-serif'">Pacific
Northwest coast", published in the Journal of the Torrey Botanical
Club, vol. 133 pp. 593-600. In fact, I. capensis is spreading into
the habitats of the uncommon native I. ecalcarata west of the
Cascades, and the two species are hybridizing. This has created a
situation where the native species is potentially being
out-competed by both the introduced species and by their hybrids.
Zika has published another paper on the hybrid, which he has named
Impatiens x pacifica , see "Impatiens x pacifica (Balsaminaceae),
a New Hybrid jewelweed from the Pacific Northwest Coast of North
America", Novon vol. 16, pp. 443-448, 2006.”</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Add
this spp. to <I>I. glandulifera</I> (a big problem) and <I>I.
balfourii</I> (an escaping species which may be a problem in the
future), and we’ve got our hands full out here with the
touch-me-nots.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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Behalf Of </B>Katie Fite<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 18, 2011
5:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
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[APWG] Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Has
anyone had any experience with jewelweed (Impatiens) native to the
eastern U. S. becoming weedy in valley marsh habitats in the
intermountain West? <BR><BR>I see that jewelweed <I>Impatiens
capensis</I> (orange jewelweed) is listed as a King County
(WA) “Weed of Concern”. <BR><BR>This species is shown as
having a yellow flowered form, which is what we are
seeing.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
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href="http://www.kingcounty.gov/environment/animalsAndPlants/noxious-weeds/laws/list.aspx"
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Katie
Fite<BR>Western Watersheds Project<BR><A
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