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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I like "Non-native Invasive Plant Working
Group". It'a mouthful but more descriptive. Ty Harrison</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rlb14@cornell.edu href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu">Robert Layton
Beyfuss</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ialm@erols.com
href="mailto:ialm@erols.com">Marc Imlay</A> ; <A title=landrest@cox.net
href="mailto:landrest@cox.net">'Wayne Tyson'</A> ; <A
title=gino.graziano@alaska.gov
href="mailto:gino.graziano@alaska.gov">'Graziano, Gino A (DNR)'</A> ; <A
title=genafleming@gmail.com href="mailto:genafleming@gmail.com">'Gena
Fleming'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 29, 2011 7:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] Terminology still
unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Are
we not all posting on the “<B><I>alien</I></B> plant working group” list
serve? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Is
this heresy?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Bob<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Marc Imlay
[mailto:ialm@erols.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 29, 2011 9:30
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Wayne Tyson'; Robert Layton Beyfuss; 'Graziano, Gino A
(DNR)'; 'Gena Fleming'<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re:
Jewelweed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I use non-native
invasive. Marc</SPAN></STRONG><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
[mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Wayne
Tyson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 28, 2011 11:25 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Robert
Layton Beyfuss; Graziano, Gino A (DNR); Gena Fleming<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi
y'all,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I suspect
that a lot of the "backlash" that occurs is the result of excessive hyperbole
and pure pig-headedness than healthy intellectual intercourse.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">"Alien" is
a loaded word because of its semantic alliances, different in every malignant
prong of undisciplined linguistic evolution; "lay" people are sometimes
surprisingly ignorant of even simpler distinctions (e.g. an educated project
manager who thought that chaparral was a single species), but they are not
unintelligent, the distinction simply had not yet proven necessary in her
life. One wonders how far off the beam the rest of the "rabble" is.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Thinking of
others as rabble and giving up on them is all too common among academics, even
science-writers. Would dropping the term "alien" from the scholarly literature
and replacing it with a less-loaded term advance or retard understanding?
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">WT</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">"'Tis
friction's brisk, rough rub that provides the vital spark!" --A. R.
Martin</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">-----
Original Message ----- </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=rlb14@cornell.edu href="mailto:rlb14@cornell.edu"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Robert Layton
Beyfuss</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=gino.graziano@alaska.gov href="mailto:gino.graziano@alaska.gov"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Graziano, Gino A
(DNR)</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> ;
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=genafleming@gmail.com href="mailto:genafleming@gmail.com"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Gena Fleming</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> ; </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=landrest@cox.net href="mailto:landrest@cox.net"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Wayne Tyson</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Monday, July 25, 2011 2:31
PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> RE: [APWG] Terminology still
unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hi
All<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">As
long as the term “invasive” is restricted to place of origin as
in the Presidential E.O. definition </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“an
alien species* whose introduction does or is likely to cause economic or
environmental harm or harm to human health.” </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #4f81bd; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">and
requires an asterisk * to further define that cryptic term, many people will
equate exotic or alien with invasive and will make stupid decisions based on
that misunderstanding. Here in NY state we have executive orders on
several levels of state government banning all “exotic” plants in publicly
funded projects, not invasive exotic plants, but ALL exotic plants.
Currently there is a grant i.e. a publicly funded project underway in
parts of NY City to remove all exotic species in a particular area that
includes parts of Brooklyn and Manhattan, regardless of their reproductive
status or whether or not they are weeds and replace them with native plants.
This is a serious and needless waste of my tax dollars and an infringement
on my rights as a citizen to enjoy plants that cause no harm but are
condemned because of their country of origin. We have state funded swat
teams travelling around NY now spraying herbicide on Giant Hogweed at a cost
of 1 million $ with zero chance of eradicating it or even seriously slowing
its spread. I would much rather see the money spent on studies that are
trying to understand why these plants are spreading but the money is there
to kill and not to understand why. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I think most
people on this list serve realize that the terms alien or exotic mean from a
different ecosystem than the one they are introduced into and not just a
different country but most laypeople will not. This is the fundamental flaw
of invasion biology as a science and what has provoked backlash, as in the
article in discussion. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #4f81bd; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Bob</SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: #4f81bd; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org
[mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Graziano, Gino A (DNR)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:51
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Gena Fleming; Wayne Tyson<BR><B>Cc:</B>
apwg@lists.plantconservation.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] Terminology
still unresolved? Re: Jewelweed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Re: "I presume
that everyone has actually read the recent Davis, et al
paper?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I read the article, heard him
talk on Science Friday, and read the transcript of the program. I
found the article and interview to be timely, however largely and
disturbingly an incomplete account of how invasive species managers are
making decisions. First though, I will commend the efforts of the
authors because there are many individuals and land managers that do not
take the time to critically evaluate the best available information and
manage “invasive” species based on nativity instead of real threat to
resources. I also agree that a lot of the language used to describe
invasive species lends to public and land manager bias to non-native species
in general. Both of these issues are real and are counterproductive to
natural resource management.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>As a state coordinator of invasive species management in
Alaska, I regularly discuss the need to focus on those few species that are
really problematic and not just any species based on nativity alone. The
concept of only a few problematic species is not new and was brought up by
Williams in his 1996 book “Biological Invasions” where he presented the
“Tens rule” (you all know that though). Focus on true problems, is
increasingly becoming the norm as many regions of the world are developing
invasiveness ranking systems that seek to clarify which species are
ecosystem changers and which are simply persistent in habitats that we
(humans) develop (e.g. roadsides, gravel pits, air strips etc.). The
ranking system Alaska uses is found at <A
href="http://aknhp.uaa.alaska.edu/botany/akepic/non-native-plant-species-biographies/">http://aknhp.uaa.alaska.edu/botany/akepic/non-native-plant-species-biographies/</A>.
No ranking alone is the guiding decision tool and the authors of Alaska’s
acknowledge that management/regulatory action still requires more insight
into economic, social and environmental interactions a species has in an
area.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>So, I ask why are ranking systems not brought up in the
Davis article? If they don’t work, Davis and others should let us all
know. Why are ABC lists and their creation by boards with review by
the public not discussed? The comment paper, is an opinion that needs
to be fleshed out into a real peer reviewed, complete and unbiased article
that evaluates invasive species management, how species are prioritized for
management, and what efforts are a success, failure or waste of time.
All this should be in the context of the human as well as environmental need
to adapt to a changing world. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I believe we still have a long way to go in achieving the
best management strategies across the board. With all due respect, to
criticize management efforts while ignoring attempts to improve management
is at best incompetent. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>This is an important discussion that should continue well
beyond this listserve.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Gino
Graziano, NRS<BR>Invasive Weeds and Agricultural Pest
Coordinator</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">DNR,
Division of Agriculture</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Plant
Materials Center</SPAN><SPAN
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S. Bodenburg Spur Road</SPAN><SPAN
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AK 99645</SPAN><SPAN
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href="mailto:Gino..Graziano@Alaska.gov"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Gino.Graziano@Alaska.gov</SPAN></A><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.dnr.state.ak.us/ag/ag_pmc.htm">http://www.dnr.state.ak.us/ag/ag_pmc.htm</A></SPAN><SPAN
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apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org
[mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gena
Fleming<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Wayne
Tyson<BR><B>Cc:</B> apwg@lists.plantconservation.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re:
Jewelweed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Hi
All:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Re: "I presume
that everyone has actually read the recent Davis, et al
paper?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I don't think a
link has been posted..... just in case, this will take you to
it:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/news/pdf/061411_deltredici_nature.pdf">http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/news/pdf/061411_deltredici_nature.pdf</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I'm really enjoying this
discussion. There is a lot of disinformation that can hide behind
outdated terminology. New terminology is a good idea. But even
still, one needs to stay on top of whatever terminology one is are using,
and think about what is really happening in any given
context.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I can already hear
promoters of biotechnology grabbing the "Don't judge species on their
origins" mantra to defend genetically engineered species. This
would be unfortunate, because the preoccupation with "non-native" exotics, I
feel, is partially to blame for genetically egineered species being, for the
most part, ignored by conservationists. We have all these
databases cropping up that employ citizen scientists to report location of
"non-native" exotics. Meanwhile, genetically engineered organisms are
granted secret locations, and it is even claimed that insertion of foreign
DNA from a different genus doesn't really change the
species.....</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">This is also related to
microbiology being replaced by molecular biology..... and biology being
diverted by biotechnology.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I hope we can soon end
this war agains nature and find a new consciousness to guide our observation
and interactions. As has already been said, this is going to take good
critical thinking skills because, of course, any organism living in nature
is transforming that environment, "manipulating" it to a certain
extent. But there needs to be a more qualitative and nuanced
understanding of what kind of transformation we should be engaged in with
our environment, one that is mutually beneficial. That understanding
will benefit from terminology, but it will also need to be an ongoing
exploratory process, subject to open dialogue, criticism and review.
Words, like organisms, can mean one thing in one context, and quite another
in a new context.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">As for the current
definition of "invasive", I do not think any term should lump ecologic
impact with economic impact as a qualifying criteria. That's just bad
juju.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">It's late. Not sure
how convoluted this sounds, but that's my stream of consciousness for
now.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Anyway, I'm enjoying
reading the discussion ---- thanks</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">best,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Gena</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 19 July 2011 18:14, Wayne Tyson <<A
href="mailto:landrest@cox.net">landrest@cox.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dominic Maze,
friends, and APWG:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Dominic, I
mostly agree with your observations, but here is what I was stimulated to
write (it's more than colloquial; it's a stream-of-consciousness first
draft, far from acceptable for publication).</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I do not think
that ecology is a "soft" doctrine as opposed to a <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">science, </SPAN></EM>as I consider
the heart of science to be the asking of questions about Nature or
"reality." I do think those who call themselves "ecologists" worry too much
about "standing" and not enough about just getting on with the work and damn
the torpedoes, the slings and arrows of outrageous petulance by the
egocentric. While I might agree with His Pre-eminence’s (Rutherford's)
comment about botany as taxonomy to some degree (to the extent that some
"botanists" DO seem to limit themselves to pursuing taxonomic glory
more than understanding of Nature), but have no use for sniffy remarks like
his in all contexts (I don't know in what context he made the remark, but it
seems needlessly rude). </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">My private
position is "Screw the posturers!" Ignore such stuff. If one is intimidated
by physics, join the club (Einstein, Feynman). But courage often consists of
ignoring posturing (and Lordy knows we are surrounded by such dick-heads.)
Academia is drowning in Greek letters, algorithms, and prissy, ill-founded
jargon; what it needs, especially ecology, is to drop the pretenses and the
insecurities that give rise to them, and get on with the work of
understanding what makes Nature tick. Botany is a helluva lot more than
taxonomy. Arguing from authority is a not-well-enough-known logical fallacy,
and too much discussion is colored with such divergent manipulation.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I didn't even
know what "ecology" meant when I started college in 1956, but I had the good
fortune to have Lee Haines as a professor; Haines was a true man for all
disciplines, and he taught botany and ecology together, along with other
disciplines as needed. I still use his first lesson every day--he placed two
Petri dishes before us, one with some muck and a planarian, the other with
agar and a bacterial culture, some pipettes, saline solution, and
some pennicilium mold. He taught is how to key out plants, yes, but he also
taught us life zones, succession, and other useful knowledge. But most of
all, he taught us how to think (now known as "critical thinking"). We camped
out a lot, and sang around the campfire. Later professors had a high
standard to live up to, as did we students. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I did turn to
the Executive Order on Invasive Species, and I thought it to be more
political bunk than science.. It specifically excluded humans and their
livestock and crops. Science requires honesty and that is simply dishonesty.
There would be no “invasive species” problem if it weren’t for those
exclusions. That’s an outrage. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I quite agree
with Maze that terms like “ruderal” and “healthy” need to be clarified or
eliminated, but someone has to come up with something better, preferably a
family of related terms that do not contradict each other. I’m not so
confident that “new terms will inevitably arise.” I fear that the confusion
will multiply as egocentricity continues to reign, covering its doubtful
tracks with obfuscation and pseudo-intellectual fog. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I wasn’t
referring to <I>Impatiens capensis</I>; I meant to call for clarity of
communication, however, far beyond “peers.” (I do, however, thank
Vanderploeg for stimulating my question.) A major problem with the
anti-science, anti-intellectual fever in this country can be laid at the
feet of the academic “peerage.” Recent analysis of the Declaration of
Independence has revealed that Jefferson erased “subjects” and wrote over it
“citizens.” Unless there’s a good reason to do so, terminology should not be
reduced to academic jargon—it drives away the curious, the amateur, yes,
even the dilettante. These should be embraced, not shunned. Just what
do truly superior intellects have to fear from the rabble--that they
will climb up the ivy? And they should know what the hell we’re talking
about in “colloquial” terms if possible, presuming clarity. But at
least "we" should know, eh? </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I look forward
to the definition of terms that can be widely accepted as the
standard for both colloquial (maybe a glossary?) and scientifically
acceptable terms. (And oh, while you're about it, how about a new term for
"brush?") </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">WT</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">PS: I presume
that everyone has actually read the recent Davis, et al paper?
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">“I have sworn
eternal vigilance over every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” –Thomas
Jefferson</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">“The only thing
that interferes with my learning is my education.” –Albert
Einstein</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">“The suspension
of judgment is the highest exercise in intellectual discipline.” –Raymond
Gilmore</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov
href="mailto:Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Maze, Dominic</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=jrandall@email.unc.edu href="mailto:jrandall@email.unc.edu"
target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">'Randall, John
L'</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> ;
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=landrest@cox.net href="mailto:landrest@cox.net" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Wayne Tyson</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> ;
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=wvanderploeg@ameritech.net href="mailto:wvanderploeg@ameritech.net"
target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Wayne
Vanderploeg</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> ;
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=katie@westernwatersheds.org
href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Katie Fite</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> ;
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Tuesday,
July 19, 2011 2:11 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> RE: [APWG]
Terminology still unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I
couldn’t agree more, Mr. Tyson, on the importance of using proper (and
well-defined) terminology in any sub-discipline of ecology. After all,
ecology itself has often been considered the “soft” doctrine of the
biological sciences, and any clarification and standardization of
terminology is welcome and necessary to furthering effective research,
communication, and “conservation” (and increasing the relative standing of
ecology as a discipline). When considering ecology’s standing as a
science, I am often reminded of the pre-eminent physicist, Sir Ernest
Rutherford’s dismissive comment of turn of the (last)-century botany (and
I paraphrase), “Botany is fine; it is about as difficult a science as
stamp-collecting.” [ouch!]</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
I too, turn to the definition of invasive species posted below and often
point out that a species which escapes at a constricted scale and doesn’t
persist in the environment (displays low population fitness) is not (to
me) “invasive” (and I am reluctant to use term even though it is part of
my job title!). However, at what temporal and spatial scales do we
arbitrarily choose to demarcate as a threshold for “invasive” or
not? Defining populations as “r” or “K” were once valuable in the
budding discipline of population biology and ecology; and while still
taught in Universities, these have similar limitations; just as the once
useful definitions “apex” or “healthy” (or even trying to fit population
dynamics to a Lotka-Voltera” model) do. These limitations create
problems such as your (common) distinction between “ruderal” and “healthy”
(does this mean that all “ruderal” systems are “unhealthy”?). As a
result, these terms and approaches fall from favor and the supporting
concepts evolve to better describe the wide range of dynamics we observe
and record. New terms will inevitably arise.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">As
to <I>Impatiens capensis</I>: I’m not sure if your last two
sentences, “It appears that some believe there is no distinction. I would
appreciate any correction, definitions, or suggestions that will bring
discipline to communication about these subjects.” refers to the present
discussion about this species. If it does, I would suggest reading
the excellent Zika papers below. If it doesn’t, and speaks to the
larger issue of communication among peers, then perhaps the lack of
distinction stems from colloquial discussions such as this one. Either
way, your point is a very important one that bears consideration and we
would all be wise to retain it.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Cheers,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: gray; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="mailto:dominic.maze@portlandoregon.gov"
target=_blank>dominic.maze@portlandoregon..gov</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Randall, John
L [mailto:<A href="mailto:jrandall@email.unc.edu"
target=_blank>jrandall@email.unc.edu</A>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July
19, 2011 12:22 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Wayne Tyson; Wayne Vanderploeg; Maze,
Dominic; Katie Fite; <A href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re:
Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
always turn to the Executive Order on Invasive Species for my “invasive
species” definition, which is: “an alien species* whose introduction does
or is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human
health.” As for those plant species that occur/specialize in disturbed
areas – I generally call these either native or alien weeds.
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">(*”Alien
species" means, with respect to a particular ecosystem, any species,
including its seeds, eggs, spores, or other biological material capable of
propagating that species, that is not native to that ecosystem.)
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Johnny
Randall</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A>] <B>On Behalf
Of </B>Wayne Tyson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:37
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Wayne Vanderploeg; Maze, Dominic; Katie Fite; <A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
[APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re:
Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hello
all,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Is there
anyone who acknowledges (or would it be simpler to say "does not
acknowledge") that there is at least a phenomenological difference
between "alien" species that are largely restricted to disturbed sites and
those which "invade" healthy ecosystems? </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I realize
that some of the terminology used here is debatable too, and such
discussion are worth having, but it would appear, if "invasion ecology" is
to be taken seriously as a sub-discipline of ecology, that clarity of
terminology is vital to clear communication. Time was, colonization
referred to any movement of an organism into a "new" location, plants
(what about animals?) that were restricted to disturbed areas were termed
"ruderal," and "alien" organisms that colonized healthy/undisturbed
ecosystems were called "invasive." </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">It appears
that some believe there is no distinction. I would appreciate any
correction, definitions, or suggestions that will bring discipline to
communication about these subjects. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=wvanderploeg@ameritech.net
href="mailto:wvanderploeg@ameritech.net" target=_blank>Wayne
Vanderploeg</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> <A
title=Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov
href="mailto:Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov" target=_blank>Maze,
Dominic</A> ; <A title=katie@westernwatersheds.org
href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org" target=_blank>Katie Fite</A> ;
<A title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists..plantconservation.org</A>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Tuesday,
July 19, 2011 10:24 AM</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"> Re: [APWG]
Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Hello All, <BR><BR>I don't usually make
comment to this group....I generally browse this list to see what new
issues are popping up. As a biologist/ecologist/naturalist/land
manager for 31 years in the Chicago area with the Forest Preserve
District of Cook County, I have seen this plant come and go. Deer
do browse it heavily and tend to prefer it over most other plants.
It does well in disturbed areas where the soil is rich, moist and semi
shaded. I have always viewed it as sensitive plant that is easily
displaced by weeds and never thought of it as a problem plant in the
Chicago area. The fact that it is spreading prolifically in other
areas where it typically does not occur could be a symptom of a bigger
problem. I would expect it to disappear when those problems are
discovered and solved. <BR><BR>Wayne
Vanderploeg</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> "Maze,
Dominic" <<A href="mailto:Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov"
target=_blank>Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov</A>><BR><B>To:</B>
Katie Fite <<A href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org"
target=_blank>katie@westernwatersheds.org</A>>; "<A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>" <<A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>><BR><B>Sent:</B>
Tue, July 19, 2011 11:42:18 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG]
Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi
Katie et alia,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
<I>Impatiens capensis</I> is, in my experience, a problematic species
here west of the Cascade Range in the Pacific NW. The densities of
this sp. are pretty amazing with the understory of riparian corridors
often dominated by it. I’ve been seeing more and more of it in the
Willamette Valley and surrounding ranges here in Oregon with seemingly
little attention paid to it.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">
Interestingly, some land managers still consider this species native
here on the West Coast, probably due to confusion with our native, <I>I.
ecalcarata</I> in some older floras and field guides. Ed Alverson
of TNC wrote a short comment in reply to a posting on <I>I. capensis</I>
at the Botany Photo of the Day website:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow','sans-serif'">“Impatiens
capensis is an introduced and invasive species in the Pacific Northwest
, west of the Cascades. Peter Zika addressed this issue in a 2006 paper,
"The status of Impatiens capensis (Balsaminaceae) on the<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow','sans-serif'">Pacific
Northwest coast", published in the Journal of the Torrey Botanical Club,
vol. 133 pp.. 593-600. In fact, I. capensis is spreading into the
habitats of the uncommon native I. ecalcarata west of the Cascades, and
the two species are hybridizing. This has created a situation where the
native species is potentially being out-competed by both the introduced
species and by their hybrids. Zika has published another paper on the
hybrid, which he has named Impatiens x pacifica , see "Impatiens x
pacifica (Balsaminaceae), a New Hybrid jewelweed from the Pacific
Northwest Coast of North America", Novon vol. 16, pp. 443-448,
2006.”</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Add
this spp. to <I>I. glandulifera</I> (a big problem) and <I>I.
balfourii</I> (an escaping species which may be a problem in the
future), and we’ve got our hands full out here with the
touch-me-nots.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A>] <B>On Behalf
Of </B>Katie Fite<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 18, 2011 5:46
PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
[APWG] Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Has
anyone had any experience with jewelweed (Impatiens) native to the
eastern U. S. becoming weedy in valley marsh habitats in the
intermountain West? <BR><BR>I see that jewelweed <I>Impatiens
capensis</I> (orange jewelweed) is listed as a King County (WA)
“Weed of Concern”. <BR><BR>This species is shown as having a yellow
flowered form, which is what we are seeing.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.kingcounty.gov/environment/animalsAndPlants/noxious-weeds/laws/list.aspx"
target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">http://www.kingcounty.gov/environment/animalsAndPlants/noxious-weeds/laws/list.aspx</SPAN></A><BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Katie
Fite<BR>Western Watersheds Project<BR><A
href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org"
target=_blank>katie@westernwatersheds.org</A><BR><BR> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">
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