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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=625581909-28072011><FONT color=#0000ff
face=Arial><STRONG>Just a clarification. Not including exotic plants in publicly
funded projects should not increase tax dollars since there are plenty of native
plants that can be used. Marc</STRONG></FONT></SPAN>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org
[mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Robert
Layton Beyfuss<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 25, 2011 5:32 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Graziano, Gino A (DNR); Gena Fleming; Wayne Tyson<BR><B>Cc:</B>
apwg@lists.plantconservation.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] Terminology still
unresolved? Re: Jewelweed<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi
All<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">As
long as the term “invasive” is restricted to place of origin as in
the Presidential E.O. definition </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">“an
alien species* whose introduction does or is likely to cause economic or
environmental harm or harm to human health.” </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #4f81bd; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">and
requires an asterisk * to further define that cryptic term, many people will
equate exotic or alien with invasive and will make stupid decisions based on
that misunderstanding. Here in NY state we have executive orders on
several levels of state government banning all “exotic” plants in publicly
funded projects, not invasive exotic plants, but ALL exotic plants. Currently
there is a grant i.e. a publicly funded project underway in parts of NY
City to remove all exotic species in a particular area that includes parts of
Brooklyn and Manhattan, regardless of their reproductive status or whether or
not they are weeds and replace them with native plants. This is a serious and
needless waste of my tax dollars and an infringement on my rights as a citizen
to enjoy plants that cause no harm but are condemned because of their country of
origin. We have state funded swat teams travelling around NY now spraying
herbicide on Giant Hogweed at a cost of 1 million $ with zero chance of
eradicating it or even seriously slowing its spread. I would much rather see the
money spent on studies that are trying to understand why these plants are
spreading but the money is there to kill and not to understand why.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #4f81bd; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I
think most people on this list serve realize that the terms alien or exotic mean
from a different ecosystem than the one they are introduced into and not just a
different country but most laypeople will not. This is the fundamental flaw of
invasion biology as a science and what has provoked backlash, as in the article
in discussion. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #4f81bd; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Bob</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #4f81bd"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org
[mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Graziano,
Gino A (DNR)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Gena
Fleming; Wayne Tyson<BR><B>Cc:</B>
apwg@lists.plantconservation.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG] Terminology still
unresolved? Re: Jewelweed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Re: "I presume that
everyone has actually read the recent Davis, et al paper?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I read the article, heard him talk
on Science Friday, and read the transcript of the program. I found the
article and interview to be timely, however largely and disturbingly an
incomplete account of how invasive species managers are making decisions.
First though, I will commend the efforts of the authors because there are many
individuals and land managers that do not take the time to critically evaluate
the best available information and manage “invasive” species based on nativity
instead of real threat to resources. I also agree that a lot of the
language used to describe invasive species lends to public and land manager bias
to non-native species in general. Both of these issues are real and are
counterproductive to natural resource management.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>As a state coordinator of invasive species management in
Alaska, I regularly discuss the need to focus on those few species that are
really problematic and not just any species based on nativity alone. The concept
of only a few problematic species is not new and was brought up by Williams in
his 1996 book “Biological Invasions” where he presented the “Tens rule” (you all
know that though). Focus on true problems, is increasingly becoming the
norm as many regions of the world are developing invasiveness ranking systems
that seek to clarify which species are ecosystem changers and which are simply
persistent in habitats that we (humans) develop (e.g. roadsides, gravel pits,
air strips etc.). The ranking system Alaska uses is found at <A
href="http://aknhp.uaa.alaska.edu/botany/akepic/non-native-plant-species-biographies/">http://aknhp.uaa.alaska.edu/botany/akepic/non-native-plant-species-biographies/</A>.
No ranking alone is the guiding decision tool and the authors of Alaska’s
acknowledge that management/regulatory action still requires more insight into
economic, social and environmental interactions a species has in an
area.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>So, I ask why are ranking systems not brought up in the Davis
article? If they don’t work, Davis and others should let us all
know. Why are ABC lists and their creation by boards with review by the
public not discussed? The comment paper, is an opinion that needs to be
fleshed out into a real peer reviewed, complete and unbiased article that
evaluates invasive species management, how species are prioritized for
management, and what efforts are a success, failure or waste of time. All
this should be in the context of the human as well as environmental need to
adapt to a changing world. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I believe we still have a long way to go in achieving the
best management strategies across the board. With all due respect, to criticize
management efforts while ignoring attempts to improve management is at best
incompetent. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>This is an important discussion that should continue well
beyond this listserve.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Gino
Graziano, NRS<BR>Invasive Weeds and Agricultural Pest Coordinator</SPAN><SPAN
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Division of Agriculture</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Plant
Materials Center</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">5310 S.
Bodenburg Spur Road</SPAN><SPAN
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AK 99645</SPAN><SPAN
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href="mailto:Gino.Graziano@Alaska.gov"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Gino.Graziano@Alaska.gov</SPAN></A><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="http://www.dnr.state.ak.us/ag/ag_pmc.htm">http://www.dnr.state.ak.us/ag/ag_pmc.htm</A></SPAN><SPAN
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apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org
[mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Gena
Fleming<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:07 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Wayne
Tyson<BR><B>Cc:</B> apwg@lists.plantconservation.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re: Jewelweed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Hi
All:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Re: "I presume that
everyone has actually read the recent Davis, et al
paper?"</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I don't think a
link has been posted..... just in case, this will take you to
it:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/news/pdf/061411_deltredici_nature.pdf">http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/news/pdf/061411_deltredici_nature.pdf</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I'm really enjoying this
discussion. There is a lot of disinformation that can hide behind outdated
terminology. New terminology is a good idea. But even still, one
needs to stay on top of whatever terminology one is are using, and think about
what is really happening in any given context.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I can already hear promoters
of biotechnology grabbing the "Don't judge species on their origins" mantra to
defend genetically engineered species. This would be unfortunate,
because the preoccupation with "non-native" exotics, I feel, is partially to
blame for genetically egineered species being, for the most part, ignored
by conservationists. We have all these databases cropping up that employ
citizen scientists to report location of "non-native" exotics. Meanwhile,
genetically engineered organisms are granted secret locations, and it is even
claimed that insertion of foreign DNA from a different genus doesn't really
change the species.....</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">This is also related to
microbiology being replaced by molecular biology..... and biology being
diverted by biotechnology.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I hope we can soon end this
war agains nature and find a new consciousness to guide our observation and
interactions. As has already been said, this is going to take good
critical thinking skills because, of course, any organism living in nature is
transforming that environment, "manipulating" it to a certain extent. But
there needs to be a more qualitative and nuanced understanding of what kind of
transformation we should be engaged in with our environment, one that is
mutually beneficial. That understanding will benefit from terminology, but
it will also need to be an ongoing exploratory process, subject to open
dialogue, criticism and review. Words, like organisms, can mean one thing
in one context, and quite another in a new context.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">As for the current definition
of "invasive", I do not think any term should lump ecologic impact with economic
impact as a qualifying criteria. That's just bad
juju.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">It's late. Not sure how
convoluted this sounds, but that's my stream of consciousness for
now.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Anyway, I'm enjoying reading
the discussion ---- thanks</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">best,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Gena</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 19 July 2011 18:14, Wayne Tyson <<A
href="mailto:landrest@cox.net">landrest@cox.net</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Dominic Maze,
friends, and APWG:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Dominic, I mostly
agree with your observations, but here is what I was stimulated to write (it's
more than colloquial; it's a stream-of-consciousness first draft, far from
acceptable for publication).</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I do not think that
ecology is a "soft" doctrine as opposed to a <EM><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">science, </SPAN></EM>as I consider the
heart of science to be the asking of questions about Nature or "reality." I do
think those who call themselves "ecologists" worry too much about "standing" and
not enough about just getting on with the work and damn the torpedoes, the
slings and arrows of outrageous petulance by the egocentric. While I might agree
with His Pre-eminence’s (Rutherford's) comment about botany as taxonomy to some
degree (to the extent that some "botanists" DO seem to limit themselves to
pursuing taxonomic glory more than understanding of Nature), but have no
use for sniffy remarks like his in all contexts (I don't know in what context he
made the remark, but it seems needlessly rude). </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">My private position
is "Screw the posturers!" Ignore such stuff. If one is intimidated by physics,
join the club (Einstein, Feynman). But courage often consists of ignoring
posturing (and Lordy knows we are surrounded by such dick-heads.) Academia is
drowning in Greek letters, algorithms, and prissy, ill-founded jargon; what it
needs, especially ecology, is to drop the pretenses and the insecurities that
give rise to them, and get on with the work of understanding what makes Nature
tick. Botany is a helluva lot more than taxonomy. Arguing from authority is a
not-well-enough-known logical fallacy, and too much discussion is colored with
such divergent manipulation. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I didn't even know
what "ecology" meant when I started college in 1956, but I had the good fortune
to have Lee Haines as a professor; Haines was a true man for all disciplines,
and he taught botany and ecology together, along with other disciplines as
needed. I still use his first lesson every day--he placed two Petri dishes
before us, one with some muck and a planarian, the other with agar and a
bacterial culture, some pipettes, saline solution, and some pennicilium
mold. He taught is how to key out plants, yes, but he also taught us life zones,
succession, and other useful knowledge. But most of all, he taught us how to
think (now known as "critical thinking"). We camped out a lot, and sang around
the campfire. Later professors had a high standard to live up to, as did we
students. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I did turn to the
Executive Order on Invasive Species, and I thought it to be more political bunk
than science. It specifically excluded humans and their livestock and crops.
Science requires honesty and that is simply dishonesty. There would be no
“invasive species” problem if it weren’t for those exclusions. That’s an
outrage. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I quite agree with
Maze that terms like “ruderal” and “healthy” need to be clarified or eliminated,
but someone has to come up with something better, preferably a family of related
terms that do not contradict each other. I’m not so confident that “new terms
will inevitably arise.” I fear that the confusion will multiply as egocentricity
continues to reign, covering its doubtful tracks with obfuscation and
pseudo-intellectual fog. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I wasn’t referring
to <I>Impatiens capensis</I>; I meant to call for clarity of communication,
however, far beyond “peers.” (I do, however, thank Vanderploeg for stimulating
my question.) A major problem with the anti-science, anti-intellectual fever in
this country can be laid at the feet of the academic “peerage.” Recent analysis
of the Declaration of Independence has revealed that Jefferson erased “subjects”
and wrote over it “citizens.” Unless there’s a good reason to do so, terminology
should not be reduced to academic jargon—it drives away the curious, the
amateur, yes, even the dilettante. These should be embraced, not shunned. Just
what do truly superior intellects have to fear from the rabble--that they
will climb up the ivy? And they should know what the hell we’re talking
about in “colloquial” terms if possible, presuming clarity. But at
least "we" should know, eh? </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I look forward
to the definition of terms that can be widely accepted as the standard
for both colloquial (maybe a glossary?) and scientifically acceptable
terms. (And oh, while you're about it, how about a new term for
"brush?") </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">WT</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">PS: I presume that
everyone has actually read the recent Davis, et al paper? </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">“I have sworn
eternal vigilance over every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” –Thomas
Jefferson</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">“The only thing
that interferes with my learning is my education.” –Albert
Einstein</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">“The suspension of
judgment is the highest exercise in intellectual discipline.” –Raymond
Gilmore</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov
href="mailto:Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Maze, Dominic</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=jrandall@email.unc.edu href="mailto:jrandall@email.unc.edu"
target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">'Randall, John
L'</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> ; </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=landrest@cox.net href="mailto:landrest@cox.net" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Wayne Tyson</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> ; </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=wvanderploeg@ameritech.net href="mailto:wvanderploeg@ameritech.net"
target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Wayne
Vanderploeg</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> ; </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=katie@westernwatersheds.org href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org"
target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Katie
Fite</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> ; </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org" target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> Tuesday, July
19, 2011 2:11 PM</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> RE: [APWG]
Terminology still unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I
couldn’t agree more, Mr. Tyson, on the importance of using proper (and
well-defined) terminology in any sub-discipline of ecology. After all, ecology
itself has often been considered the “soft” doctrine of the biological
sciences, and any clarification and standardization of terminology is welcome
and necessary to furthering effective research, communication, and
“conservation” (and increasing the relative standing of ecology as a
discipline). When considering ecology’s standing as a science, I am often
reminded of the pre-eminent physicist, Sir Ernest Rutherford’s dismissive
comment of turn of the (last)-century botany (and I paraphrase), “Botany is
fine; it is about as difficult a science as stamp-collecting.”
[ouch!]</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">
I too, turn to the definition of invasive species posted below and often point
out that a species which escapes at a constricted scale and doesn’t persist in
the environment (displays low population fitness) is not (to me) “invasive”
(and I am reluctant to use term even though it is part of my job title!).
However, at what temporal and spatial scales do we arbitrarily choose to
demarcate as a threshold for “invasive” or not? Defining populations as
“r” or “K” were once valuable in the budding discipline of population biology
and ecology; and while still taught in Universities, these have similar
limitations; just as the once useful definitions “apex” or “healthy” (or even
trying to fit population dynamics to a Lotka-Voltera” model) do. These
limitations create problems such as your (common) distinction between
“ruderal” and “healthy” (does this mean that all “ruderal” systems are
“unhealthy”?). As a result, these terms and approaches fall from favor
and the supporting concepts evolve to better describe the wide range of
dynamics we observe and record. New terms will inevitably
arise.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">As
to <I>Impatiens capensis</I>: I’m not sure if your last two sentences,
“It appears that some believe there is no distinction. I would appreciate any
correction, definitions, or suggestions that will bring discipline to
communication about these subjects.” refers to the present discussion about
this species. If it does, I would suggest reading the excellent Zika
papers below. If it doesn’t, and speaks to the larger issue of
communication among peers, then perhaps the lack of distinction stems from
colloquial discussions such as this one. Either way, your point is a very
important one that bears consideration and we would all be wise to retain
it.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Cheers,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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Maze</SPAN></B><SPAN
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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(503) 823-4899</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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(503) 823-5344</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: gray; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="mailto:dominic.maze@portlandoregon.gov"
target=_blank>dominic.maze@portlandoregon..gov</A></SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Randall, John L
[mailto:<A href="mailto:jrandall@email.unc.edu"
target=_blank>jrandall@email.unc.edu</A>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 19,
2011 12:22 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Wayne Tyson; Wayne Vanderploeg; Maze, Dominic;
Katie Fite; <A href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[APWG] Terminology still unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I
always turn to the Executive Order on Invasive Species for my “invasive
species” definition, which is: “an alien species* whose introduction does or
is likely to cause economic or environmental harm or harm to human health.” As
for those plant species that occur/specialize in disturbed areas – I generally
call these either native or alien weeds. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">(*”Alien
species" means, with respect to a particular ecosystem, any species, including
its seeds, eggs, spores, or other biological material capable of propagating
that species, that is not native to that ecosystem.)
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Johnny
Randall</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> <A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Wayne Tyson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Wayne Vanderploeg; Maze, Dominic; Katie Fite; <A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [APWG]
Terminology still unresolved? Re: Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Hello
all,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Is there anyone
who acknowledges (or would it be simpler to say "does not acknowledge") that
there is at least a phenomenological difference between "alien" species
that are largely restricted to disturbed sites and those which "invade"
healthy ecosystems? </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">I realize that
some of the terminology used here is debatable too, and such discussion are
worth having, but it would appear, if "invasion ecology" is to be taken
seriously as a sub-discipline of ecology, that clarity of terminology is vital
to clear communication. Time was, colonization referred to any movement of an
organism into a "new" location, plants (what about animals?) that were
restricted to disturbed areas were termed "ruderal," and "alien" organisms
that colonized healthy/undisturbed ecosystems were called "invasive."
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">It appears that
some believe there is no distinction. I would appreciate any correction,
definitions, or suggestions that will bring discipline to communication about
these subjects. </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">WT</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">----- Original
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=wvanderploeg@ameritech.net href="mailto:wvanderploeg@ameritech.net"
target=_blank>Wayne Vanderploeg</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov
href="mailto:Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov" target=_blank>Maze,
Dominic</A> ; <A title=katie@westernwatersheds.org
href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org" target=_blank>Katie Fite</A> ; <A
title=apwg@lists.plantconservation.org
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [APWG]
Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Hello All, <BR><BR>I don't
usually make comment to this group....I generally browse this list to see
what new issues are popping up. As a
biologist/ecologist/naturalist/land manager for 31 years in the Chicago area
with the Forest Preserve District of Cook County, I have seen this plant
come and go. Deer do browse it heavily and tend to prefer it over most
other plants. It does well in disturbed areas where the soil is rich,
moist and semi shaded. I have always viewed it as sensitive plant that
is easily displaced by weeds and never thought of it as a problem plant in
the Chicago area. The fact that it is spreading prolifically in other
areas where it typically does not occur could be a symptom of a bigger
problem. I would expect it to disappear when those problems are
discovered and solved. <BR><BR>Wayne
Vanderploeg</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> "Maze, Dominic"
<<A href="mailto:Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov"
target=_blank>Dominic.Maze@portlandoregon.gov</A>><BR><B>To:</B> Katie
Fite <<A href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org"
target=_blank>katie@westernwatersheds.org</A>>; "<A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>" <<A
href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A>><BR><B>Sent:</B> Tue,
July 19, 2011 11:42:18 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APWG]
Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi
Katie et alia,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<I>Impatiens capensis</I> is, in my experience, a problematic species here
west of the Cascade Range in the Pacific NW. The densities of this sp.
are pretty amazing with the understory of riparian corridors often dominated
by it. I’ve been seeing more and more of it in the Willamette Valley
and surrounding ranges here in Oregon with seemingly little attention paid
to it.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
Interestingly, some land managers still consider this species native here on
the West Coast, probably due to confusion with our native, <I>I.
ecalcarata</I> in some older floras and field guides. Ed Alverson of
TNC wrote a short comment in reply to a posting on <I>I. capensis</I> at the
Botany Photo of the Day website:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333">“Impatiens
capensis is an introduced and invasive species in the Pacific Northwest ,
west of the Cascades. Peter Zika addressed this issue in a 2006 paper, "The
status of Impatiens capensis (Balsaminaceae) on the<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial Narrow','sans-serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Pacific
Northwest coast", published in the Journal of the Torrey Botanical Club,
vol. 133 pp. 593-600. In fact, I. capensis is spreading into the habitats of
the uncommon native I. ecalcarata west of the Cascades, and the two species
are hybridizing. This has created a situation where the native species is
potentially being out-competed by both the introduced species and by their
hybrids. Zika has published another paper on the hybrid, which he has named
Impatiens x pacifica , see "Impatiens x pacifica (Balsaminaceae), a New
Hybrid jewelweed from the Pacific Northwest Coast of North America", Novon
vol. 16, pp. 443-448, 2006.”</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Add
this spp. to <I>I. glandulifera</I> (a big problem) and <I>I. balfourii</I>
(an escaping species which may be a problem in the future), and we’ve got
our hands full out here with the touch-me-nots.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg-bounces@lists.plantconservation.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Katie Fite<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 18, 2011 5:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
<A href="mailto:apwg@lists.plantconservation.org"
target=_blank>apwg@lists.plantconservation.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [APWG]
Jewelweed</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Has anyone
had any experience with jewelweed (Impatiens) native to the eastern U. S.
becoming weedy in valley marsh habitats in the intermountain West? <BR><BR>I
see that jewelweed <I>Impatiens capensis</I> (orange jewelweed) is listed as
a King County (WA) “Weed of Concern”. <BR><BR>This species is shown as
having a yellow flowered form, which is what we are
seeing.<BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><A
href="http://www.kingcounty.gov/environment/animalsAndPlants/noxious-weeds/laws/list.aspx"
target=_blank><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">http://www.kingcounty.gov/environment/animalsAndPlants/noxious-weeds/laws/list.aspx</SPAN></A><BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Katie
Fite<BR>Western Watersheds Project<BR><A
href="mailto:katie@westernwatersheds.org"
target=_blank>katie@westernwatersheds.org</A><BR><BR> </SPAN><SPAN
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