[APWG] Fw: Deer Control Article in The Washington Post
Robert Layton Beyfuss
rlb14 at cornell.edu
Sat Nov 6 13:14:22 CDT 2010
Hi Wayne and all
I doubt if you will find much documentation of failed restoration efforts for any reasons from people who get money to perform these but perhaps some on this list may be willing to comment on their own experiences with deer? Most of my information is anecdotal from conversations with people who have had problems. I can forward you some recent of these emails if you are interested. I also did not mean to imply that deer do not eat exotics. In fact as an extension agent in a rural county I heard far more about deer damaging exotic landscape plants than native plants. Daylillies, hosta, spring flowering bulbs such as tulips, most evergreens etc are considered "deer candy" in many situations, especially suburban areas where deer hide from hunters. I also did not mean to imply that deer are not vital and necessary componnets to ecosystems. In this sense I agree with the theories of Alan Savory. Resource managers often manage forested land for different objectives. Hunters pay lots of money for hunting licenses which gives them far more political clout than people who pay no fess to enjoy seeing trillium and ginseng. Many deer hunters I know are far more interested in seeing a buck than a Baneberry.
Bob
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Subject: Re: [APWG] Fw: Deer Control Article in The Washington Post
I would like to see some references and data on this. Not all restoration
projects are the same. In my restoration work, part of the analysis was an
estimate of predation "loads." Also, I have found that deer and other
animals preferentially graze/browse plants grown under luxury conditions.
For this and other reasons, I have used stressed plants (they survive better
too) in restoration work, as well as planting "decoy" species and plants to
limit browsing on "target" species, sometimes planted on "decoy" sites.
Mostly, however, the solution is to not provide deer "salad" in a way that
makes the project less attractive than other sites.
Some of the useful aspects of grazing/browsing also should be considered,
such as reduction of transpiration losses; hence death from drought stress.
All restoration projects should consider, in their design, the seasonal and
other dynamic factors as well as the timing of planting, etc.
Finally, a large part of the "problem" with restoration projects is
anthropocentric, such as aesthetic expectations and impatience. The most
important consideration in ecosystem restoration should be its long-term
function and the trend over time; that is, although dips in certain measures
can, do, and should occur and be expected, the overall trend should be
toward increased indigenous species diversity and numbers of individuals,
reflecting reproduction, both from on-site, intentionally-planted
individuals and colonization due to natural agents, combined with a decline
in invasion. If invasion goes up after the first two or three years, that's
probably due to poor project design/management than factors such as
predation which should have been included as part of the process.
"Maintenance" activities, however well-intentioned and theoretically
necessary, can increase susceptibility to invasion.
\
These are generalities drawn from decades of experience, but that does not
mean that they hold in all situations--just most. The lesson is, deer and
other predators may well exist in larger numbers than can be supported by a
given project, but just remember that wildlife populations tend to be
system-regulated. In urbanized areas where people landscape and garden with
plants attractive to deer and other grazer/browsers and don't keep the deer
out, population probably will rise accordingly, but this is not ecosystem
function, it is culture-function.
WT
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Subject: Re: [APWG] Fw: Deer Control Article in The Washington Post
> Besides the carnage on the highway, deer are huge players in many invasive
> plant situations. One of my favorite definitions of an invasive plant is
> "a plant that deer don't eat". Here is NY I see many restoration efforts
> that are doomed before they begin because the deer simply decimate the
> natives as soon as they are big enough to browse. I would like to see more
> emphasis on trying to understand why invasions occur before eradication
> efforts begin. Determining how the invasive plants arrive is often easier
> then explaining why they have spread so rapidly. Most of the funding
> opportunities I see are for detection and eradication of invasives. It is
> too bad the people who are supposed to manage deer populations often do
> not take into consideration the effects of deer on native plants.
>
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> apwg at lists.plantconservation.org; MAIPC Listserve; Warren Steiner
> Subject: [APWG] Fw: Deer Control Article in The Washington Post
>
> Hi,
>
> In case you missed this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jil
> ________________
> JIL SWEARINGEN
> IPM & Invasive Species Coordinator
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> Center for Urban Ecology
> 202-342-1443, ex 218
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> Subject
> Deer Control Article in The
> Washington Post
>
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> Cost of deer collisions
> Estimated costs and number of annual accidents, by state
> (Embedded image moved to file: pic20164.gif)Estimated costs and number of
> annual accidents, by state
>
> SOURCES: State Farm Insurance, Fortune Magazine | The Washington Post -
> Nov. 2, 2010
>
>
> The Washington Post, Tuesday 2 Nov, 2010, page A15
>
> Deer overpopulation taking economic toll
>
> By Allan Sloan
> Monday, November 1, 2010; 10:26 PM
>
>
> If you think deer are cute woodland creatures like Bambi, think again. In
> the real world - to the extent that suburbs like mine are the real world -
> deer are pests. "Rats with hooves" is the term for them in my household,
> which is plagued by deer that eat our plants, defecate all over our yard
> and show no fear of humans. Then there's the issue of Lyme disease carried
> by deer ticks, an especially serious problem if you've got young kids or
> grandkids. And there's the scare we got last year when a deer herd began
> crossing the six-lane highway on which were driving at 60 miles an hour.
>
>
> In the Disney movie, of course, hunters shot Bambi's mother. I used to
> think that was terrible. Now, though, I think what's terrible is not that
> Bambi's mother was shot, but that the hunters didn't also get Bambi, his
> father, and the rest of the herd.
>
>
> And since I'm supposed to write about business, not vent about wildlife,
> let me show you some numbers about how appallingly expensive rats with
> hooves are in terms of dollars and human lives.
>
>
> We're talking big bucks here. (You can groan now.) Deer-vehicle accidents
> resulted in more than $3.8 billion of insurance claims and driver costs in
> the year ended June 30, according to State Farm Insurance. Such collisions
> resulted in about 140 human deaths, according to statistics from the
> National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Serious stuff.
>
>
> We're not even including the financial and social cost of Lyme disease,
> the
> expense of hauling away deer carcasses, and the cost in money and time
> protecting vegetation and crops from voracious deer predation.
>
>
> State Farm estimates that in the 12 months ended June 30, there were 1.1
> million deer-vehicle accidents nationwide that resulted in $3.8 billion of
> insurance payouts and driver costs. The total exceeds $4 billion when we
> throw in the cost of accidents in which no claims were made because
> drivers
> had no comprehensive insurance on their vehicles, or no insurance at all.
>
>
> The costs in the adjacent chart combine State Farm's estimate of an
> average
> $3,103 per claim paid by insurers with the estimated deductible, $250,
> absorbed by drivers. We're using a $3,353 cost per accident in all states,
> because State Farm doesn't provide state-by-state data.
>
>
> You see that in 16 states, costs run nine digits. In Virginia, by State
> Farm's estimate, there were nearly 52,000 deer-related accidents last year
> that cost $174.3 million. In Maryland, deer-vehicle collisions numbered
> close to 32,000 at a cost of $106.9 million. Even the District of
> Columbia,
> not known as a woodland paradise, has roughly 500 deer-vehicle accidents a
> year, according to State Farm. (You can blame most of them on the deer
> infesting Rock Creek Park.)
>
>
> State Farm has published data about deer accidents for seven years to get
> attention for its accident-mitigation tips: be especially vigilant from 6
> to 9 p.m.; remember that deer usually travel in herds; don't rely on
> car-mounted deer whistles; and so on. It does some interesting math to
> reach its conclusions. It extrapolates total deer-vehicle damage based on
> claims made by its policy holders. For example, if State Farm has a third
> of the auto policies in a given state, it multiplies its cost and the
> number of accidents by three.
>
>
> State Farm says there were 21 percent more accidents reported in the
> 2009-2010 survey than five years earlier, even though vehicle-miles driven
> are up only 2 percent. That's a telling statistic. It means either that
> drivers have gotten a lot worse at avoiding deer, which seems unlikely, or
> there are a lot more deer on the roads than there used to be, which seems
> extremely likely.
>
>
> Last year, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration counted 182
> deaths caused by animal-vehicle collisions. The Insurance Institute for
> Highway Safety estimates that 75 to 80 percent of those deaths involve
> deer. Call it 140 people killed last year because Bambi was where he
> didn't
> belong.
>
>
> Look, I'm all in favor of cute woodland creatures - as long as they stay
> in
> the woods, and aren't destroying the habitat on which plants, birds,
> insects and reptiles depend. Yeah, deer are just animals and it's not
> their
> fault, but they're a menace because there are far too many of them. When
> you see the New Jersey Audubon Society allowing carefully selected people
> onto its nature preserves to shoot deer, as it has since 2005, you know
> that an excess of deer is an ecological disaster.
>
>
> The next time some bleeding-heart tells you how cruel it is to kill deer
> to
> keep them from hurting people and causing property damage, wave these
> death
> and damage numbers around. Up with people! Down with Bambi!
>
>
> Allan Sloan is Fortune magazine's senior editor at large.
>
>
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